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Re:Who can I hire to hack me? by tptacek on Sunday March 31, 2019 @11:56AM (#19536235)
No. As a matter of fact, you do not have the general right to "check" how secure a SAAS provider is.
Re:Who can I hire to hack me? by danShumway on Sunday March 31, 2019 @12:26PM (#19536414)
> Shouldn't we

> you do not

I don't think this answers the question. Of course unsolicited pen testing is already illegal; that's not an interesting question imo. What I'm more curious about is security industry opinions about whether or not the current law is a good idea.

Are there any changes you would make to the law if you had the ability to do so, or do you see a more general danger in allowing customers to attack their own accounts?

Re:Who can I hire to hack me? by tptacek on Sunday March 31, 2019 @12:35PM (#19536469)
I would change the way CFAA charges are sentenced. I would not eliminate the general prohibition on hacking other people's computers.
Re:Who can I hire to hack me? by goshx on Sunday March 31, 2019 @12:17PM (#19536349)
We get "checked" multiple times on a daily basis. How do you deal with those?
Re:Who can I hire to hack me? by tptacek on Sunday March 31, 2019 @12:20PM (#19536368)
Some SAAS companies set up bug bounties that offer explicit permission to test. Some companies offer that permission without a bounty. In the absence of either of those conditions, much of what a pentest firm would do to check the security of a website is a federal crime.

It's not a crime that is routinely prosecuted (at least not in the US; there are horror stories from the UK). But that doesn't mean it's safe to build a business around that activity.

(To be clear: I'm saying this about general security testing, not taking over someone's account who's paid you to do so. That's not criminal, just sort of unethical.)

Re:Who can I hire to hack me? by goshx on Sunday March 31, 2019 @12:29PM (#19536429)
How does a business like Acunetix still exist if that's really the case? Anyone online can use their services to check any website.
Re:Who can I hire to hack me? by tptacek on Sunday March 31, 2019 @12:33PM (#19536457)
Acunetix sells a product that you can use lawfully or unlawfully. In the very unlikely event you were to find and later exploit a serious vulnerability in a major SAAS company using the Acunetix scanner, it would not be Acunetix that the lawyers would target.
Re:Who can I hire to hack me? by beardedwizard on Sunday March 31, 2019 @07:29PM (#19539165)
Really not true at all, it's a matter of contract negotiations and deal sizes.
Re:Who can I hire to hack me? by tptacek on Sunday March 31, 2019 @07:34PM (#19539196)
You do not have a general right. Obviously, 3rd-party penetration tests exist, and obviously there are a variety of things you can do short of actual testing to "check" security.