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Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by Florin_Andrei on Friday March 29, 2019 @02:18PM (#19524162)
> Two wheeled dynamically balanced warehouse robot like that is completely unnecessary complication.

I had the same intuition, but then I remembered the toy I'm playing with - the spectacularly unstable 4-rotor copter that could not even take off without an onboard computer actively keeping it level all the freaking time. And it's rock solid almost no matter what.

As technology changes, our intuitions must follow.

Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by nabla9 on Friday March 29, 2019 @02:28PM (#19524254)
4-copter has use for the balancing and has replaced complex mechanical flybar with cheaper electronics.

2-wheeler is not better or more stable than 4-wheeler and requires more maintenance.

Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by cm2187 on Friday March 29, 2019 @04:43PM (#19525488)
And 4 wheeler will be cheaper.
Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by dwiel on Friday March 29, 2019 @05:40PM (#19525909)
Are you 100% sure? 4 wheeler needs twice as many wheels and a larger frame. A little controller and imu is pretty cheap by comparison.
Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by jaclaz on Saturday March 30, 2019 @06:09AM (#19528688)
You need to consider also possible issues and maintenance.

Wheel issues (typical):

1) flat tire (if the wheel is not "solid" only)

2) axle bearing

Controller+swinging counterweight:

1) a gazillion electronic components, connectors and contacts, bearings as well, the actuator for the swinging, etc., etc.

What happens if the environment is a bit humid?

For the wheel, a little rust, for the complex electronic system?

And BTW, we can save 25% by using only three wheels ...

Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by cm2187 on Friday March 29, 2019 @06:06PM (#19526076)
Not just a little controller, a counterbalancing mechanism with gyroscopes, etc. Versus a motorised trolley.
Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by chii on Friday March 29, 2019 @08:33PM (#19526778)
> a counterbalancing mechanism

if the 4-wheeled version must also have the same level of acceleration and speed of picking up, won't it also need a counterbalancing mechanism? It just won't need the "balancing algorithm", but will need a way to balance the arm swinging out.

Also, the counterbalancing mechanism is written with software, so once perfected, it's "free" to deploy. The weight could be the actual batteries, so no added extra weight!

Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by rujuladanh on Friday March 29, 2019 @11:38PM (#19527563)
A car accelerates way faster.

Do you see cars with huge counterweights?

And no, it is not free to deploy by any means. Any moving, huge, swinging parts will cause expensive problems. Remember your hard disks.

Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by etatoby on Saturday March 30, 2019 @01:49AM (#19528004)
A car does not have an arm that picks up heavy objects. The ones that do (crane trucks) need outriggers and jacks to stabilise the machine and stop any motion before they can extend their arm.
Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by jaclaz on Saturday March 30, 2019 @06:20AM (#19528711)
Fork lifts (no outriggers), optionally with a crane arm/jib, are normally used to move goods inside warehouses.

Of course it depends on the weight of what you are moving, but it doesn't seem like the 2 wheeled robots in the video can actually move "heavy" weights.

Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by rujuladanh on Saturday March 30, 2019 @06:38AM (#19528765)
These robots go only up to 15 Kg according to their designers.

I would not call 15 Kg "heavy". I can carry that myself on a single arm...

Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by dwiel on Friday March 29, 2019 @07:27PM (#19526470)
What do you mean a counterbalancing mechanism? Multiple gyroscopes? It's just a cheap IMU (includes gyrometer) and an additional control output in their controller.
Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by hinkley on Friday March 29, 2019 @04:47PM (#19525524)
Cheaper and will not automatically fall over in the case of a power failure.
Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by cm2187 on Friday March 29, 2019 @04:54PM (#19525588)
Or a bug! I assume it will also consume less power.