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Re:YouTube’s Product Chief on Online Radicalization and Algo... by swamy_g on Friday March 29, 2019 @01:45PM (#19523898)
If you call Jordan Peterson videos or Joe Rogan clips extremist videos, then I think this is clearly a step in the wrong direction. Their videos thrive on YouTube not because they hold extreme views, it's because their videos are very engaging, fun and you learn something from it.

If this is a ploy to push more mainstream narratives through YouTube that is akin to watching CNN/CBS or ABC, then I'll be looking for other platforms.

Re:YouTube’s Product Chief on Online Radicalization and Algo... by joshuamorton on Friday March 29, 2019 @02:09PM (#19524082)
>extreme views

>videos are very engaging, fun and you learn something from it.

This is not an either/or situation. Extremist content can be engaging, fun, and appear to be informative.

Re:YouTube’s Product Chief on Online Radicalization and Algo... by brogrammer5 on Friday March 29, 2019 @02:16PM (#19524144)
How is their content "extremist" though?
Re:YouTube’s Product Chief on Online Radicalization and Algo... by joshuamorton on Friday March 29, 2019 @02:31PM (#19524280)
I never said it was.

However, JRE hosted Alex Jones (conspiracy theorist "mass shooting victoms are crisis actors"), Gavin McInnes (white supremacist), and Milo yiannopolous (conservative provocateur who among other things supports pedophilia in the gay community.

Joe himself I can't comment on. He chooses to promote controversial and actively extreme people though. Sometimes he disagrees with those people, sometimes he doesn't.

Re:YouTube’s Product Chief on Online Radicalization and Algo... by unpwn on Friday March 29, 2019 @03:04PM (#19524546)
Inviting a variety of guests, with a variety of viewpoints is what makes podcasts like his interesting and informative.
Re:YouTube’s Product Chief on Online Radicalization and Algo... by joshuamorton on Friday March 29, 2019 @03:19PM (#19524685)
And like I said before, this isn't a binary. Extremist content is often interesting.
Re:YouTube’s Product Chief on Online Radicalization and Algo... by PavlovsCat on Friday March 29, 2019 @04:47PM (#19525523)
So why keep saying that, when you aren't claiming it's extremist? If I said "a person who plays with their socks every evening, pretending it's the royal family, might also make such an argument", that would also be technically correct, but I doubt I could get away with "just making an observation, not saying that's describing anyone here, just that it might".
Re:YouTube’s Product Chief on Online Radicalization and Algo... by joshuamorton on Friday March 29, 2019 @04:59PM (#19525623)
There are two simultaneous conversations.

One is about extremist content. Extremist content can be interesting. Calling content interesting does not excuse its extremist nature.

There is a parallel conversation specifically about whether JRE is "extremist". The show is certainly interesting. It may also be extremist, but it being interesting doesn't make it not extremist. Because, as I previously stated, calling content interesting does not excuse its extremist nature.

I am not making any conclusions about JRE. I'm only saying that his show being interesting doesn't make it "not extremist". If you're trying to prove that he's not, you've got to do something else.

I also provided some things he has had on his show that probably are extremist content.

Re:YouTube’s Product Chief on Online Radicalization and Algo... by ddingus on Friday March 29, 2019 @02:30PM (#19524266)
Nothing mentioned in this thread is Extreme.
Re:YouTube’s Product Chief on Online Radicalization and Algo... by fmihaila on Friday March 29, 2019 @02:02PM (#19524041)
Such a pity your post is in the basement. Sometimes it is costly to be genuinely moderate.

I'll keep you company here.

Re:YouTube’s Product Chief on Online Radicalization and Algo... by minikites on Friday March 29, 2019 @02:14PM (#19524121)
https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1110301264657551360

>Joe Rogan went on Infowars today, the same day a man who lost his child in the Sandy Hook shooting committed suicide. The grieving father was among the plaintiffs suing Alex Jones for defamation after smearing the murdered children and their parents as part of a hoax.

>In the same Infowars episode that Joe Rogan appeared on, Alex Jones pushed a conspiracy theory that the father of a child killed at Sandy Hook didn't kill himself, but may have been murdered to silence Jones and end the first amendment.

Re:YouTube’s Product Chief on Online Radicalization and Algo... by fmihaila on Friday March 29, 2019 @02:27PM (#19524236)
> https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1110301264657551360

That Twitter thread is interesting, because it contains a link to a 'This American Life' program that gives a platform to Alex Jones to explain himself. I doubt anyone would call 'This American Life' a platform for spreading conspiracy theories or hate.

In this light, is Joe Rogan, who also allows people like Jones to explain themselves, a moderate or an extremist?

Re:YouTube’s Product Chief on Online Radicalization and Algo... by minikites on Friday March 29, 2019 @05:06PM (#19525678)
You have to look at what both Joe Rogan and This American Life do in a larger context, which should clarify the differences. I do think that TAL should not have given airtime to Alex Jones because it really is that dangerous to give him (and people like him) a platform.
Re:YouTube’s Product Chief on Online Radicalization and Algo... by cwkoss on Friday March 29, 2019 @03:57PM (#19525063)
Vic Berger is a pretty disingenuous propagandist. He's funny, but I wouldn't take him too seriously.
Re:YouTube’s Product Chief on Online Radicalization and Algo... by minikites on Friday March 29, 2019 @05:11PM (#19525718)
Did those events not happen?
Re:YouTube’s Product Chief on Online Radicalization and Algo... by cwkoss on Friday March 29, 2019 @05:21PM (#19525791)
Vic made two factual statements, with the disingenuous implication that they are connected or causally related.

Alex Jones is a wacko. Talking to Alex Jones does not necessarily mean you are also a wacko. This new concept of moral badness transitively propagating through conversation is nonsensical and counterproductive.

Re:YouTube’s Product Chief on Online Radicalization and Algo... by shiohime on Friday March 29, 2019 @05:53PM (#19525983)
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Re:YouTube’s Product Chief on Online Radicalization and Algo... by Allvitende on Friday March 29, 2019 @01:58PM (#19524009)
Couldn't agree more.
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Re:YouTube’s Product Chief on Online Radicalization and Algo... by livueta on Friday March 29, 2019 @06:30PM (#19526197)
It's a little disingenuous to not mention that they subsequently published a retraction and an apology: https://www.economist.com/open-future/2019/03/28/inside-the-...

> Editor’s note (March 28th 2019): This article has been changed. A previous version mistakenly described Mr Shapiro as an “alt-right sage” and “a pop idol of the alt right”. In fact, he has been strongly critical of the alt-right movement. We apologise.

I'm not in ideological lockstep with them on many topics, but that sort of journalistic integrity is one of the things that distinguishes them from plenty of rags that are purely motivated by partisan ideology.

Re:YouTube’s Product Chief on Online Radicalization and Algo... by papermill on Saturday March 30, 2019 @11:01PM (#19533510)
I'm not the one being disingenous here. And that's not journalistic integrity. They initially stood by their false slander and only changed it after significant backlash.

Journalist integrity would be the economist not lying and smearing someone who they disagree with in the first place. To call an orthodox jew an "alt-right sage" means the people working at the economist are lazy and incompetent or they are liars smearing a jewish individual for ideological reasons. You could follow the thread. You could probably also find the deleted tweets by the economist and their editor too if you want.

https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1111301001359904770

To label a pathetic smear campaign by the economist as "journalistic integrity" just shows the terrible state of journalism today. And the only reason the spineless cowards at the economist apologized is because Ben Shapiro has a big enough following to fight back. Otherwise, they would have stuck to their lies and slander. And I have to disagree with your last statement. The economist is most definitely one of the "rags that are purely motivated by partisan ideology.". But we are all entitled to our own opinions.

Re:YouTube’s Product Chief on Online Radicalization and Algo... by opportune on Friday March 29, 2019 @06:10PM (#19526105)
The economist is far left? Have you seriously ever picked up that magazine?

The economist is socially moderate-left (mostly socially progressive, but less so on certain issues such as Palestine, and generally not devoting time to fringe opinions at all) but very, very free-market oriented. The closest political orientation to them is "classically liberal", or in US terms, "libertarian", or "moderate Republican".

Re:YouTube’s Product Chief on Online Radicalization and Algo... by scarejunba on Friday March 29, 2019 @05:37PM (#19525893)
The idea that The Economist is far leftist extremist is outrageously ridiculous. They do not hide their bias and it's not far left in any sense. It's why free-marketeers like me like them.
Re:YouTube’s Product Chief on Online Radicalization and Algo... by sisu2019 on Friday March 29, 2019 @04:21PM (#19525268)
that's exactly it, well said.