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Re:Microsoft says encryption laws make companies wary of sto... by TallGuyShort on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @08:05PM (#19507641)
How confident are my fellow American citizens that the American government doesn't effectively have the same power? I mean if someone showed up at your house in a black Suburban with an official-looking letter that seemed like a court order that you provide them with a backdoor and threatening you with all manner of charges if you go public. How confident are you you could walk away cleanly from that any other way?
Re:Microsoft says encryption laws make companies wary of sto... by BigJono on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @08:35PM (#19507859)
Well I assume the first thing you do if you cop a notice is talk to a lawyer, and if the government's request is illegal, the American lawyer will tell you so. Since this legislation, the Australian lawyer is going to have to tell you to just do it.
Re:Microsoft says encryption laws make companies wary of sto... by petre on Thursday March 28, 2019 @12:38AM (#19509301)
The difference is the court order. In Australia, the individuals in the black car could show up with none of that and you'd still have to comply.

The Aussie politicians that voted for this are hurting everybody. A mining based economy with less business coming its way because of laws like this one.

https://boingboing.net/2017/07/15/malcolm-turnbull-is-an-idi...

Re:Microsoft says encryption laws make companies wary of sto... by m1sta_ on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @09:45PM (#19508342)
Of course they have the same power. Australia is just more open about it because the compulsion power is formalised.
Re:Microsoft says encryption laws make companies wary of sto... by kevingadd on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @08:35PM (#19507857)
The American government does theoretically have this power, but it's not like any major player is refusing to do business with Americans yet because the downside to that is massive. It's possible it could come to that eventually.

Australia is a target for retribution here because the policy is newer and they're a smaller player.

Re:Microsoft says encryption laws make companies wary of sto... by ENGNR on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @10:29PM (#19508635)
In the USA at least you could take it to the supreme court, Australians don't have a bill of rights
Re:Microsoft says encryption laws make companies wary of sto... by Nasrudith on Thursday March 28, 2019 @08:42AM (#19511581)
Saying "it is unfair I can't get away with crime too" is not a defense. And many in fact /are/ already refusing to do so. Witness many privacy laws which explicitly bar storage of citizen data in US jurisdictions - granted some have cynical "so they can access it" motivations. It was why Microsoft of all corporations, one which has been enough of a toady to be caught with NSA in variable names sued hard to demand warrant protection.
Re:Microsoft says encryption laws make companies wary of sto... by mr_toad on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @10:04PM (#19508475)
> The American government does theoretically have this power

So far they haven’t been able to enforce it, at least when challenged.

And there are organisations that prohibit the use of US based cloud providers.