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Re:Ask HN: Best questions for an engineer to ask a CEO durin... by jacklewis on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @06:18PM (#19506717)
Can you please clarify why you say "equity is worth at most $0"? If the company is successful surely the equity is worth something.
Re:Ask HN: Best questions for an engineer to ask a CEO durin... by raptorraver on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @06:44PM (#19506959)
Equity isn’t money, it’s a lottery ticket.
Re:Ask HN: Best questions for an engineer to ask a CEO durin... by maximilianroos on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @06:53PM (#19507045)
Lottery tickets are worth more than $0
Re:Ask HN: Best questions for an engineer to ask a CEO durin... by emilecantin on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @06:57PM (#19507082)
Yes, but not much more. E.g: I can go right now get a ticket for a $50M prize for 5$.

How much do you pay for equity (in the form of reduced salary), and what's the expected upside?

Re:Ask HN: Best questions for an engineer to ask a CEO durin... by learnstats2 on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @07:56PM (#19507583)
And I would value that lottery ticket at about $1 today - with the understanding that: a) the face value is over-stated by around 100%, and b) I have no hope of riding out the variance, so the gamble is a poor one for me.
Re:Ask HN: Best questions for an engineer to ask a CEO durin... by patrickthebold on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @09:04PM (#19508089)
Some are. Most aren't.
Re:Ask HN: Best questions for an engineer to ask a CEO durin... by josephwegner on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @07:56PM (#19507584)
You are absolutely correct, if the company is successful, equity might be worth quite a bit. It's unlikely that you will choose a startup that will be successful in a way that makes equity valuable.

Venture Capitalists are in the business of making money off successful startups. They work day in and day out on finding startups that are likely to be successful and investing in ways to help them be successful. Most of the time, they're wrong. The only way that VCs are able to be profitable is by having a diverse portfolio of companies in the hope that one is successful enough to outweigh the losses of the others.

Picking out successful startups is (probably) not your expertise, and you only get about a dozen chances (on the high end?) to choose a new employer for the duration of your career. The odds are very very against you. Given those odds, we can value startup equity at approximately $0, perhaps a bit higher.

Unfortunately, most startups offer lower salaries in trade for equity. They also are offering you _options_ instead of actual shares. Unless you stick around long enough for a liquidity event that guarantees the option's value, you will have to exercise those options prior to knowing their true value. This costs you money _twice_ for an entity that has a near-$0 value.