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Re:Facebook to ban white nationalist content by ianleeclark on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @01:30PM (#19503397)
Are you saying that white supremacists only hurt people's feelings and does not have real and tangible outcomes? Look to Christchurch or the innumerable attacks/murders/gig economy fascism in the US perpetrated by the far right.
Re:Facebook to ban white nationalist content by pathseeker on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @03:55PM (#19505285)
>Are you saying that white supremacists only hurt people's feelings and does not have real and tangible outcomes?

Are you going to extend that same logic to devout religious followers that want a government aligned with their religion and think non-followers should be forcefully re-educated or killed?

Re:Facebook to ban white nationalist content by ng12 on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @03:23PM (#19504915)
That's a fallacious argument. You could make the same argument about pro-Islamist sentiment (which is all over FB if you know where to look).
Re:Facebook to ban white nationalist content by Veraticus on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @03:37PM (#19505056)
It's not fallacious: pro-ISIS stuff is already banned on Facebook so it's literally exactly the same standard.
Re:Facebook to ban white nationalist content by pathseeker on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @03:56PM (#19505302)
pro-Islamist != pro-ISIS. It is completely fallacious.
Re:Facebook to ban white nationalist content by Veraticus on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @04:08PM (#19505446)
You're right the two aren't equal, that's why pro-ISIS content is banned and pro-Islam content isn't! In fact, you could generalize this to a rule: extremist philosophies advocating violence are banned on Facebook. Islam isn't an extremist philosophy advocating violence as practiced by most of its adherents. But the parts of it that are (ISIS for example) are banned. Similar to white nationalism. Where exactly is the fallacy?
Re:Facebook to ban white nationalist content by ng12 on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @04:17PM (#19505548)
What makes the political aspects of Islam any less extremist than White Separatism? It sounds to be like Facebook has brought down the banhammer on the non-violent part of that as well.
Re:Facebook to ban white nationalist content by Veraticus on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @04:22PM (#19505613)
There is no non-violent component of white nationalism. It advocates the extermination of non-white people. If you think otherwise you are either a white nationalist or seriously misinformed.
Re:Facebook to ban white nationalist content by ng12 on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @04:50PM (#19505890)
The problem is your definition of "white nationalism". The article explains the difference between violent white supremacy and white nationalism:

> Our policies have long prohibited hateful treatment of people based on characteristics such as race, ethnicity or religion — and that has always included white supremacy. We didn’t originally apply the same rationale to expressions of white nationalism and separatism because we were thinking about broader concepts of nationalism and separatism — things like American pride and Basque separatism, which are an important part of people’s identity.

Re:Facebook to ban white nationalist content by Veraticus on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @04:56PM (#19505939)
Literally the next sentence you neglected to quote says this:

> But over the past three months our conversations with members of civil society and academics who are experts in race relations around the world have confirmed that white nationalism and separatism cannot be meaningfully separated from white supremacy and organized hate groups.

There is no meaningful difference between white nationalism, white separatism, white supremacy, and hate groups. They are the same thing. So... I mean... did you read the article?

Re:Facebook to ban white nationalist content by ng12 on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @06:12PM (#19506674)
> So... I mean... did you read the article?

I did. The snide comment is unnecessary.

That's the question I'm asking: if we accept that these beliefs are on a spectrum and that white separatism (or more generally pro-white politics) slide inevitably into violent white nationalism, who's to say the same doesn't apply to orthodox Islam? Specifically the above poster referenced Christchurch as an example outcome of the former, I argue you can't do so without considering the many examples of the latter.

Re:Facebook to ban white nationalist content by Veraticus on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @06:22PM (#19506752)
White nationalism, white separatism, white supremacy, and hate groups are not a spectrum; they are the same thing. There's no difference.

There is a difference between orthodox Islam and extremist violence: just because some violent extremists are Muslim doesn't mean all orthodox Muslims are violent extremists.

Re:Facebook to ban white nationalist content by ng12 on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @06:35PM (#19506873)
You believe it's literally impossible for someone to advocate for separatism, pan-Europeanism, or protection of white culture without being a violent hate group?
Re:Facebook to ban white nationalist content by Veraticus on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @06:53PM (#19507046)
Yes indeed! Those views inherently advocate for the genocide of non-white people (and even some people who are white but are "degenerate," like gay people, trans people, Jews, or whatever ethnicity they believe isn't sufficiently "white"). I do believe that some people don't understand what they've gotten themselves in to, but all white nationalism is essentially advocating for the broad extermination of many people.
Re:Facebook to ban white nationalist content by yegle on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @01:38PM (#19503527)
NO, that's ABSOLUTELY not the case.

If you are looking for examples, search HN comments that begin with "I'm hesitated to say this but" or "I know this sounds XXX"