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Re:FTC Seeks to Examine the Privacy Practices of U.S. Broadb... by anoncoward111 on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @03:10PM (#19495047)
can't wait for satellite to some day be robust and cheap enough to utterly destroy the notion of municipal internet. probably not in my lifetime, but hey, my 4g is cheap enough for my current uses :)
Re:FTC Seeks to Examine the Privacy Practices of U.S. Broadb... by duskwuff on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @04:00PM (#19495471)
Not going to happen. Satellite ISPs are crippled by a couple of largely insurmountable technical limitations:

1. Latency. 600-700 ms RTT is typical on satellite, and it's bounded by the speed of light. This makes a lot of real-time services, like voice chat and video games, essentially unusable.

2. Bandwidth. The satellites you're communicating with have a limited capacity, and provisioning more capacity is nontrivial. As a result, most satellite services have very low data caps, typically 10 - 100 GB/month.

3. Physical concerns. Satellite connectivity requires an antenna with a clear view of the equatorial sky (e.g. south for northern hemisphere). This is often unavailable in cities, apartments, or hilly areas -- if there's a tall building or a mountain between you and the satellite, you can't use their service.

Re:FTC Seeks to Examine the Privacy Practices of U.S. Broadb... by jrockway on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @04:12PM (#19495583)
The next generation of satellite Internet is not going to be based on satellites in geostationary orbit. They are close to the surface of the Earth and form a mesh that can make paths that are shorter than the great circle distance.

This should fix all three of your problems, except maybe total bandwidth.

Re:FTC Seeks to Examine the Privacy Practices of U.S. Broadb... by ekimekim on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @04:53PM (#19495909)
> form a mesh that can make paths that are shorter than the great circle distance

I think that's a slight mis-wording - you can't beat the great circle distance over the surface unless you go underground, but you can definitely beat a packet-switched, zig-zagging network running through the ground with a more or less direct point-to-point mesh running 100km above it.

Re:FTC Seeks to Examine the Privacy Practices of U.S. Broadb... by JohnFen on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @06:56PM (#19496721)
If I understand correctly, that won't fix the latency problem. It will make it less severe, though.
Re:FTC Seeks to Examine the Privacy Practices of U.S. Broadb... by monocasa on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @05:22PM (#19506176)
It should give you latency that you'd expect from a wired connection.
Re:FTC Seeks to Examine the Privacy Practices of U.S. Broadb... by b1r6 on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @03:52PM (#19495401)
I always wonder about the latency with satellite internet. A friend tried HughesNet one time. I tried to tell him, "I hope you don't care about online gaming..." Sure enough, the link had good bandwidth, but horrid latency. A TCP connection would take >2 seconds to establish.
Re:FTC Seeks to Examine the Privacy Practices of U.S. Broadb... by aarongray on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @03:12PM (#19495070)
Re:FTC Seeks to Examine the Privacy Practices of U.S. Broadb... by massivecali on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @03:14PM (#19495085)
Until satellites solve the weather transmission interference problems, that's a long way off.
Re:FTC Seeks to Examine the Privacy Practices of U.S. Broadb... by Retric on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @03:34PM (#19495268)
GPS for example works just fine in the rain. Geostationary orbits have much larger issues with weather than the closer orbits of next gen satilite Internet.
Re:FTC Seeks to Examine the Privacy Practices of U.S. Broadb... by massivecali on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @04:45PM (#19495862)
You wouldn't notice when your GPS goes out off and on while in inclement weather. It's a service that can degrade gracefully. Some systems revert to other sensors when you lose GPS signal (tunnels, underground, etc). However, you would certainly notice when your packets drop and your video/audio streaming cuts out.
Re:FTC Seeks to Examine the Privacy Practices of U.S. Broadb... by Retric on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @04:55PM (#19495930)
Bad weather alone does not stop GPS. Other issues can, but in cases of unobstructed views of the sky and solid equipment it’s not an issue.

Most streaming services can also degrade gracefully. Granted, we don’t have actual hardware to examine for these internet services, but many satellite uplinks already work fine in bad weather with at worst some loss of bandwidth.

Re:FTC Seeks to Examine the Privacy Practices of U.S. Broadb... by massivecali on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @10:22PM (#19497716)
Tell that to my DirecTV satellite tv.
Re:FTC Seeks to Examine the Privacy Practices of U.S. Broadb... by Retric on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @10:57PM (#19497838)
Direct TV is using a geostationary orbit which as I said has many issues. That’s made worse by using a tiny dish, but even then it’s still much better the closer to the equator you are. The difference between Mane and key west is huge.