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Re:Congestion Pricing in Manhattan Close to Approval by eternalban on Monday March 25, 2019 @09:34PM (#19488498)
Why not charge tourists a special subway rate (++) and finance the repairs that way, instead of creating 'exclu$ive zones' of movement.
Re:Congestion Pricing in Manhattan Close to Approval by Alex3917 on Monday March 25, 2019 @09:37PM (#19488519)
The point of congestion pricing is to reduce car traffic, air pollution illnesses/deaths, pedestrian injuries/deaths, etc. The fact that it can also pay for the subways is just an ancillary benefit.
Re:Congestion Pricing in Manhattan Close to Approval by brownbat on Monday March 25, 2019 @10:21PM (#19488762)
> pedestrian injuries/deaths

The Dodgers actually got their name from the high rate of pedestrian fatalities in NYC, albeit from trolleys.

Traffic has been causing problems in NYC for over a century.

Re:Congestion Pricing in Manhattan Close to Approval by CydeWeys on Monday March 25, 2019 @09:39PM (#19488532)
Because that won't achieve the goal of easing congestion in downtown Manhattan by reducing the number of vehicles entering it.
Re:Congestion Pricing in Manhattan Close to Approval by eternalban on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @07:56AM (#19490873)
We don't mind the congestion in "downtown" Manhattan. The article also clearly stated the justification was raising funds to fix our daily encounter with 3rd world in subterranean Manhattan -- and I believe I can speak for the entire city of New York here -- we mind very much indeed.
Re:Congestion Pricing in Manhattan Close to Approval by CydeWeys on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @11:01AM (#19492449)
Which "we" are you speaking for here? I live and work in Manhattan and I definitely am negatively affected by all the vehicle congestion, along with everyone I know. The vast majority of us here don't own or drive cars, and having fewer of them around will be much better for walking, biking, and taking the bus.

You can't possibly deny that the intent of congestion charges is to reduce congestion. That's been the intent (and effect) in every other major city it's been implemented in across the world. The simple fact of the matter is that single occupancy vehicles can't possibly scale to meet all the transit demands of an urban area as dense as Manhattan, so they need to be deprioritized in favor of more scalable modes of transport. Reclaiming car lanes for dedicated bus lanes and cycle lanes would be a great first start.

Frankly, this doesn't go nearly far enough. All of the free on-street parking in this zone needs to be removed as well, with people paying the true cost of storing a vehicle on the most valuable property in the US. That'll get rid of a lot of the vehicles on the streets and we can reclaim that space for much more productive uses. Many of these vehicles only move on alternate side parking days anyway, so there's really no reason they should be here at all. Charge the $500+/month that space is actually worth and they'll be gone.

Re:Congestion Pricing in Manhattan Close to Approval by diebeforei485 on Monday March 25, 2019 @11:14PM (#19488984)
I suspect tourists would be frequently paying this when they get in a cab from the airport. Most commuters do not drive into the congestion zone anyway, they generally park-and-ride.
Re:Congestion Pricing in Manhattan Close to Approval by jogjayr on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @02:34AM (#19489685)
How would you even identify tourists to charge them extra? Make everyone show address proof before buying a ticket? Who's even a tourist? People living out of city limits or the state? That rules out large swathes of daily NYC commuters or weekend visitors.
Re:Congestion Pricing in Manhattan Close to Approval by ams6110 on Monday March 25, 2019 @10:24PM (#19488783)
Tourists don't use the subway much. It's rather confusing and even scary.
Re:Congestion Pricing in Manhattan Close to Approval by jdavis703 on Monday March 25, 2019 @11:31PM (#19489085)
Source? I’m just one person, but I use the subway every time I’m visiting in NYC, and don’t find it confusing or scary.
Re:Congestion Pricing in Manhattan Close to Approval by jshaqaw on Monday March 25, 2019 @11:31PM (#19489081)
Scary? It’s not 1978 anymore.
Re:Congestion Pricing in Manhattan Close to Approval by zone411 on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @12:21AM (#19489273)
It's definitely not 1978 in terms of violent crime but haven't you encountered aggressive panhandlers or obviously mentally ill people? If there is something violent going on, the vast majority of passengers won't intervene (see the recent attack on an elderly woman where everyone was just filming).
Re:Congestion Pricing in Manhattan Close to Approval by qpotlpus on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @07:28AM (#19490748)
I’ve lived in NYC for 20 years and take the subway 2-4 times a day, often with my little kids. I can’t remember ever really feeling unsafe.
Re:Congestion Pricing in Manhattan Close to Approval by steveeq1 on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @01:35AM (#19489531)
I don't get it. What happened in 1978?
Re:Congestion Pricing in Manhattan Close to Approval by NikkiA on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @06:41AM (#19490596)
Re:Congestion Pricing in Manhattan Close to Approval by jogjayr on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @02:35AM (#19489686)
I think they meant that it would have been scarier in the 70s because NYC had a lot more crime back then.