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Re:The silent victims of the US embargo against Iran by matt4077 on Monday March 25, 2019 @07:03AM (#19481506)
That's also... largely not true?

Europe was the only party that ever had /any/ power. The US did not have much of an economic relationship with Iran to begin with. Therefore, their sanctions were mostly symbolic. It was EU sanctions that eventually forced Iran to the negotiating table and made the nuclear deal possible. As the article shows, the US has the power to be cruel. But the price being paid is humanitarian, not economic.

Accordingly, in succeeds only in killing children, not creating pressure. This is best shown by Iran's decision to stay in the JCPOA. The US is being ignored, because it is comparably irrelevant in purely economic terms.

The EU has also passed legislation prohibiting EU companies from implement US sanctions and indemnifying them against US fines: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45085205. And there's an EU venture to replace US institutions in Iran-bound financial transactions: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2019...

Re:The silent victims of the US embargo against Iran by AriaMinaei on Monday March 25, 2019 @07:51AM (#19481727)
> The EU has also passed legislation prohibiting EU companies from implement US sanctions and indemnifying them against US fines

These moves have mostly been symbolic. Trade with all large European companies, from Total to Peugeot has been ceased. Also, no European bank has been willing to trade with Iran under the threat of U.S fines.

> And there's an EU venture to replace US institutions in Iran-bound financial transactions

Good gesture, but also symbolic. In practice, the new mechanism is mostly a gesture towards U.S for its unilateral sanctions, than a vehicle to enable trade with Iran.

Edit: typo

Re:The silent victims of the US embargo against Iran by cm2187 on Monday March 25, 2019 @07:11AM (#19481539)
I understand US sanctions ban any company doing business with the US to also do business with Iran. Companies doing business with the US is pretty much 100% of large companies in the world. So US sanctions did affect all commerce with Iran, not just US commerce with Iran.
Re:The silent victims of the US embargo against Iran by matt4077 on Monday March 25, 2019 @07:18AM (#19481567)
Yes. Read my comment again. Following that US attempt to change longstanding international law is, in turn, illegal in the EU. Companies are indemnified against damages, and the EU will presumably try to claw these back if it ever comes so far.

Does something in all this need to give? Yes, definitely. Presumably, the US will shy away from trying to enforce. If not, US courts are actually somewhat likely to uphold long-standing precedents in international law, because the only other possible outcome is a completely unworkable quagmire going forward where no company could simultaneously operate in the EU and the US.

Re:The silent victims of the US embargo against Iran by Udik on Monday March 25, 2019 @07:28AM (#19481625)
Unfortunately, things are not as you describe them. All the major EU companies have ceased their trading with Iran, as risks are too high and of course it's impossible to punish somebody for not trading with a foreign country.

The only meaningful thing for the EU to do would be to retaliate by sanctioning US companies and freezing US assets to compensate for the effect of the US sanctions. Which would mean full scale economic war and sanctions on the US, something the EU of course cannot afford.

Re:The silent victims of the US embargo against Iran by Fjolsvith on Monday March 25, 2019 @07:41AM (#19481689)
The meaningful thing that needs to be done is that Iran needs to solve their government problem.

If I recall, the US had to do something like that back in 1776, and Germany had to have some assistance in it back in 1939-41.

Growing pains.

Re:The silent victims of the US embargo against Iran by pjc50 on Monday March 25, 2019 @07:52AM (#19481728)
Iran had a somewhat democratic government until the US overthrew it and replaced it with a monarch in the 50s. Iran subsequently had another revolution with a total purge of foreign influence in 1979. Subsequently a huge number of Iranians were killed in the Iran-Iraq war, where the US supported Iraq.

Modernization can happen, but only if it's not visibly pro US.

Re:The silent victims of the US embargo against Iran by wukerplank on Monday March 25, 2019 @08:19AM (#19481853)
I can only guess, but I think the parent was being sarcastic, insinuateing that the current US policy towards the Iran points to a new Gulf war.
Re:The silent victims of the US embargo against Iran by refurb on Monday March 25, 2019 @08:51AM (#19482014)
The US didn’t overthrow the Mossadegh gov’t in a coup. It did back the opposition during a very turbulent time in Iranian history (massive protests against the Mossadegh gov’t), but to say the gov’t would have survived in the absence of US involvement is a major overstatement.
Re:The silent victims of the US embargo against Iran by dragonwriter on Monday March 25, 2019 @09:01AM (#19482080)
> The US didn’t overthrow the Mossadegh gov’t in a coup.

On the contrary:

In August 2013, sixty years afterward, the U.S. government formally acknowledged the U.S. role in the coup by releasing a bulk of previously classified government documents that show it was in charge of both the planning and the execution of the coup, including the bribing of Iranian politicians, security and army high-ranking officials, as well as pro-coup propaganda. The CIA is quoted acknowledging the coup was carried out "under CIA direction" and "as an act of U.S. foreign policy, conceived and approved at the highest levels of government".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état

Re:The silent victims of the US embargo against Iran by refurb on Monday March 25, 2019 @11:00AM (#19483022)
Exactly. The CIA aligned itself with already existing groups within Iran to lend assistance in the coup. People act like without the CIA Iran would be some functioning democracy. Iran was a huge mess of competing factions at the time. The Mossadegh gov't would have fallen regardless. The CIA just decided to help out.

Very similar to what happened with Vietnam and the Diem regimen.

Re:The silent victims of the US embargo against Iran by dragonwriter on Monday March 25, 2019 @12:59PM (#19484252)
> The CIA aligned itself with already existing groups within Iran to lend assistance in the coup.

No, it (and the British who actually started trying to pull off a coup first) paid people and deployed propaganda from multiple different angles, and including false flag operations, to energize multiple, mutually antagonistic factions in order to destabilize the Mossadegh regime; a lot of the anti-Mossadegh opposition was organized crime groups paid by the CIA to put up a front as political opposition. They didn't care about the politics; they did care about the money.

Heck, even the Shah—the monarch who superficially seized total power in the coup—was opposed until the CIA threatened to depose him as well if he didn't go along.

Re:The silent victims of the US embargo against Iran by refurb on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @01:06PM (#19493763)
Not sure your comment contradicts anything I wrote.
Re:The silent victims of the US embargo against Iran by cm2187 on Monday March 25, 2019 @07:35AM (#19481662)
The US don't really have an history of backing down on these matters. I don't see any responsible CEO taking a life or death bet on which will win between the US and the EU.
Re:The silent victims of the US embargo against Iran by Udik on Monday March 25, 2019 @07:14AM (#19481553)
I don't think that's how it works at all. The US sanctions can hit any EU company trading with Iran. So the problem is not (only) direct trade between the US and Iran, but trade by any company in the world which also wants to have a US presence.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/europe/2018-10-10/eu...

Re:The silent victims of the US embargo against Iran by LifeLiverTransp on Monday March 25, 2019 @11:42AM (#19483504)
Those anti-sanctions do not really work. Take the telecom for example-who tries to protect there us-investments - by cutting loose all iran buisness.

In the end big evil bullys always get there way.