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Re:More Children Were Shot Dead in 2017 Than On-Duty Police ... by sneak on Sunday March 24, 2019 @04:47PM (#19478671)
> Some 6,464 deaths involved children between 5 to 14 years of age, amounting to 340 deaths annually on average. A further 32,478 children between 15 to 18 years old died, or 2,050 per year on average between 1999 and 2017.

> Of these children, 61 percent were killed in an assault involving a firearm, while 32 percent died by suicide. A further 5 percent died in an accident. The death was undetermined in 2 percent of cases.

It seems misleading to me to include suicide counts in a headline that says “shot dead”.

Removing suicides, this comes out to 1625 per year. Approximately 900,000 people in total die in the US per year.

What they are describing as an epidemic is in reality 340 deaths per year of under-14s.

For reference, approximately 450 people per year die of acetaminophen (tylenol) poisoning in the US.

Re:More Children Were Shot Dead in 2017 Than On-Duty Police ... by frankbreetz on Sunday March 24, 2019 @04:51PM (#19478694)
Why would we remove suicide? If these children didn't have access to guns the majority of these CHILDREN would still be alive today. Everyone deserve the chance to make foolish mistakes as a child.
Re:More Children Were Shot Dead in 2017 Than On-Duty Police ... by burfog on Sunday March 24, 2019 @07:03PM (#19479262)
Suicide deaths by children don't change unless you also ban train tracks, highways, ropes, tall things... and maybe just store people in padded boxes until they are not children.

The amount of freedom you'd have to take from society is huge.

Perhaps there is also a right to die. If life is torture, and you keep a person alive, then you are torturing them.

Re:More Children Were Shot Dead in 2017 Than On-Duty Police ... by frankbreetz on Monday March 25, 2019 @10:58AM (#19482995)
"Research shows that whether attempters live or die depends in large part on the ready availability of highly lethal means, especially firearms." https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/magazine/guns-and-suicide/

Arguing that children "Have a right to die"? This is not something I agree with.

Obviously banning all that other stuff would be ridiculous and no one is proposing that. There is not much freedom lost by keeping gins out of the hands of children though...

Re:More Children Were Shot Dead in 2017 Than On-Duty Police ... by seandougall on Sunday March 24, 2019 @04:56PM (#19478723)
That’s still more than the combined 1,144 on-duty police officers and military personnel cited in the article. So even if you don’t count suicide by gun as a death by gun violence (which is debatable), it still wouldn’t invalidate the headline.
Re:More Children Were Shot Dead in 2017 Than On-Duty Police ... by sneak on Sunday March 24, 2019 @08:26PM (#19479536)
Police deaths are at record lows in the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_police_office...

Re:More Children Were Shot Dead in 2017 Than On-Duty Police ... by colechristensen on Sunday March 24, 2019 @05:20PM (#19478844)
To expand, which bin do police and military suicides go into? (clearly not included in the numbers)

Statistics are hard when you're really trying to make an argument and discussion of what gets included is very important.

Re:More Children Were Shot Dead in 2017 Than On-Duty Police ... by phil248 on Sunday March 24, 2019 @04:57PM (#19478737)
If you shoot yourself and die, you were not shot? I am pretty sure the hole in your head would argue otherwise.
Re:More Children Were Shot Dead in 2017 Than On-Duty Police ... by CompanionCuuube on Monday March 25, 2019 @03:11PM (#19485736)
Is intentional carbon monoxide poisoning from car exhaust a "vehicular death"?
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Re:More Children Were Shot Dead in 2017 Than On-Duty Police ... by DanBC on Sunday March 24, 2019 @05:42PM (#19478956)
The CDC counts suicide deaths as violent deaths.

The main way to reduce deaths by suicide is to restrict access to means and methods, especially those which have high lethality. Guns are 1) very lethal 2) irresponsibly stored in many US homes. It's a valid suicide prevention measure to tell people to store their guns correctly.

Here's the link to the CDC, clearly showing they see suicide as violence: https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/datasources/nvdrs/ind...

> In the United States, seven people per hour die a violent death. More than 19,000 people were victims of homicide and almost 45,000 people died by suicide in 2016 alone.

> To help find ways to prevent violent deaths, we need to know the facts. The National Violent Death Reporting System (NVDRS) links information about the “who, when, where, and how” from data on violent deaths and provides insights about “why” they occurred.

> NVDRS is the only state-based surveillance (reporting) system that pools more than 600 unique data elements from multiple sources into a usable, anonymous database. NVDRS covers all types of violent deaths – including homicides and suicides – in all settings for all age groups.