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Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by CoolGuySteve on Sunday March 24, 2019 @02:52PM (#19478038)
It really feels like we're on the cusp of a textbook similar to the Primer in Neal Stephenson's 'The Diamond Age: Or, A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer'.

As in, something that learns your interests and customizes to your tastes while still teaching. A textbook that is able to diagnose common misunderstandings from a set of wrong answers to a problem set and evolve its teaching methods.

If advertising networks have effectively personalized propaganda on Facebook and whatnot and games like The Walking Dead are able to change script based on popular choices made by all players, we should be able to apply the same technology to personalized learning at scale.

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by ai_ia on Sunday March 24, 2019 @04:52PM (#19478701)
I am building Primer. :)

https://www.primerlabs.io

You can checkout the documentation part for images/gifs to learn how it works.

Bit late on schedule, but working hard to release soon.

Made a video about the same explaining the interface.

https://youtu.be/acTdwGV0s9I

P.S. The landing page is a horrible experience on mobile. My bad.

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by surajs on Monday March 25, 2019 @02:41AM (#19480701)
Hey! this looks like something within my wheelhouse. Let me know if you need help with content/design/development. I'd love to be a part of this story.
Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by ai_ia on Monday March 25, 2019 @04:31AM (#19481032)
Thank you Suraj.

Will definitely connect with you once I release the beta.

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by gridspy on Sunday March 24, 2019 @06:49PM (#19479223)
Looks exciting. Make sure you post it back here when there are a couple of tracks to follow. Good choices for your first tracks.
Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by ai_ia on Sunday March 24, 2019 @07:17PM (#19479316)
Thank you. Sure thing.

I have taken reference from here https://teachyourselfcs.com

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by EmmaMuhleman1 on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @07:45PM (#19507487)
Wow, I checked out primerlabs.io and I'm not sure about the competition, but if non-existent or small this could be the next Facebook. I would like to learn more, I work in venture capital. Emma Muhleman - please touch base u can find me on LinkedIn
Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by ai_ia on Thursday March 28, 2019 @01:24AM (#19509503)
> this could be the next Facebook.

:o

I will be contacting. Thanks for taking time to go through the web site. :)

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by justinclift on Monday March 25, 2019 @06:05AM (#19481307)
Guess it's not going to be OSS?
Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by ai_ia on Monday March 25, 2019 @06:26AM (#19481373)
If you are referring the course content creation. Well, I have thought about it.

In the initial stages, No.

You would want to have control over the content to 1. Update / Iterate it faster 2. Sense of continuity when switching from one course to successive one.

One of the problem, I have personally felt is the abundance of video based courses for a single topic. And none whatsoever for a deeper topic.

When you jump from one video-based course to another, then you either feel there is a bit of overlap or a bit of skip of content. This is due to different university teaching style and syllabus.

Self-learning online today, basically feels a bit disorganized. You need to scourge through the entire internet to find good resources. A lot of people have created wonderful platforms ("awesome" repos, Learn-anything.xyz etc) to curate those resources and my experience has been opposite when I encounter these resources.

I need one good resource, not 10+ resources to learn about a topic. And when I do complete a course, I feel I am missing out by not completing other good resource. This might be only a personal experience though.

The D.R.Y. Principle I wrote in the website, basically means, you don't need to waste effort studying something you have already covered. The teaching style will be uniform. And you can scale deeply. Kind of a like an endless book that keeps on adding new updated things for you to learn more. It is easier when you are in charge of course creation.

That being said, all the Course Notebooks, will be available free for everyone. Anyone can read what Primer is trying to teach without spending a penny.

Also, I don't have a fixed plan. Everything is based on this hypothesis that Conversational Learning is better for self-studying than video based courses. Given we are able to prove by putting Computer Science Resources by the end of the year, then we can discuss about what would be the best way forward.

Hope it makes sense.

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by justinclift on Monday March 25, 2019 @06:37AM (#19481415)
> You would want to have control over the content ...

Ahhh. Personally, I tend to think of OSS as not really taking away control of stuff, as more enabling interested people to collaborate and get involved.

eg surajs below seems like a potential candidate

That being said, it's not the only way to enable such collaboration. :)

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by ai_ia on Monday March 25, 2019 @06:54AM (#19481473)
Oh. I understand you completely.

Right now, I am focusing on shipping as soon as possible. After that, I would definitely be spending time figuring out how can I involve people who are interested.

But I must confess, I don't really fully understand what I am trying to do and also didn't realize that many people would be interested in Primer, though.

It has been like a little side-project that took over my life. So, I have put these little milestones to keep on track.

Thanks for your insight, Justin.

I would be more than happy to understand how to enable such collaboration.

If you can mail me your thoughts at admin[at]primerlabs.io, I would be grateful.

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by Vaskivo on Monday March 25, 2019 @07:10AM (#19481533)
Is that a Diamond Age reference? (the Neal Stephenson book)
Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by ai_ia on Monday March 25, 2019 @07:14AM (#19481552)
Yep.

If you check the parent comment, I posted in reply to this comment.

> It really feels like we're on the cusp of a textbook similar to the Primer in Neal Stephenson's 'The Diamond Age: Or, A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer'.

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by RSchaeffer on Sunday March 24, 2019 @05:47PM (#19478979)
Are you hiring? This looks interesting
Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by ai_ia on Sunday March 24, 2019 @07:14PM (#19479303)
Thank you.

TBH, I have been full-time working on it alone since last year Jan. Left job and moved back to parents place.

Cannot afford hiring anyone as I am basically broke.

Planning to bootstrap. Thank you once again.

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by toomuchtodo on Sunday March 24, 2019 @07:40PM (#19479392)
You might consider exploring obtaining a grant or funding from the Gates Foundation. Education improvement is one of their foundation's core targets.
Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by ai_ia on Sunday March 24, 2019 @07:43PM (#19479400)
Not sure if they give out grants to for-profit organisations.

Will check it out. Thanks.

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by perfmode on Monday March 25, 2019 @12:17AM (#19480265)
You’d be surprised!
Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by embleton on Monday March 25, 2019 @05:05PM (#19486726)
I have a 5 yo if you need test subjects!
Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by ai_ia on Thursday March 28, 2019 @01:47AM (#19509592)
I think you meant sarcastically for the part I wrote in the documentation.

What I meant was giving an accessible path for college level physics for anyone who wants to learn on their own. Currently video based courses and textbooks don't do that.

I believe curiosity driven learning is more efficient when learner is excited and resources are there to aid the learner.

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by solipsism on Sunday March 24, 2019 @03:17PM (#19478174)
It really feels like we're on the cusp of a textbook similar to the Primer in Neal Stephenson's 'The Diamond Age: Or, A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer'.

Feels to me like we're about as close to that as we are close to regrowing limbs. We've made baby steps.

For one thing, the illustrated primer created content from scratch -- content especially suited to the reader. Mathigon and things like it can only present you with content pre-created by humans.

Secondly, the illustrated primer had an expert understanding of human development, human psychology, and human biology. It used this understanding, along with incredible sensor technology, dynamically to create complex pedagogical plans and follow them by presenting exactly the content the reader needs at the time. At the moment we have only extremely rudimentary planning capabilities (if any), extremely rudimentary sensor/input capabilities (basically limited to what to user types in), and extremely rudimentary algorithms capable of only low order logic (if the user does x they probably want why) with almost no understanding of human psychology.

Not to say we're not making great strides. We're just a really long way off.

Edit: thirdly, The illustrated primer had an expert understanding of every topic it taught Nell. I think we're a long way off from any computer system that has an expert understanding of anything. Our computers can do calculus a lot faster than we can, but they don't understand it at a higher order level.

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by davidgl on Monday March 25, 2019 @05:55AM (#19481270)
Amazing research on regrowing limbs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjD1aLm4Thg
Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by sdenton4 on Monday March 25, 2019 @04:24AM (#19481007)
Absolutely.

Writing textbooks is extremely time consuming... Seeing 'Mathematics - May 2019' in the list of tracks for Primer strikes me as un-serious. Likewise the single animation for Hyperbolic geometry in the 'non-euclidean geometry' page on mathigon.

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by chongli on Sunday March 24, 2019 @09:54PM (#19479803)
something that learns your interests and customizes to your tastes

I have grave misgivings about that sort of thing. This approach is what leads to the Google and Facebook "filter bubbles" [1]. What I need is something that exposes me to different viewpoints, opposing viewpoints, presented in convincing ways to challenge me and help me to grow as a person. What I want is to learn about new ideas that would never have occurred to me before.

Traditional schools, much maligned, try to expose kids to books and other media they never would've bothered with otherwise. Yeah, kids for the most part reject this stuff and slog through until graduation, but some don't! Some kids find a new passion for Mozart or Shakespeare or calculus for that matter. Maybe we can predict interest in those subjects before exposing people to them, but I'm not confident about it. There are outliers everywhere and it's not fair to leave them out in the cold.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filter_bubble

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by CoolGuySteve on Monday March 25, 2019 @01:29AM (#19480481)
My point is that society strictly benefits if we made a ‘filter bubble’ that teaches calculus instead of antivaxx theories or Shakespeare instead of polical radicalization.

We’ve seen many, many examples of people picking up new concepts from their filter bubble, stuff like pizza-gate, that they wouldn’t have thought up on their own.

The same click-reward feedback algorithm can be applied when teaching more virtuous knowledge. The algorithms that create filter bubbles are disturbingly good at teaching, as in really disturbing and really proficient.

(And besides, let’s not pretend western and Confucian education aren’t indoctrination processes to some extent in their own right. Western education is predicated on building ‘virtuous’ citizens according to what I remember from the Socratic/Platonic dialogs. Also I feel like a dickhead for saying “according to the classics”.)

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by jacobolus on Monday March 25, 2019 @02:39AM (#19480696)
> The algorithms that create filter bubbles are disturbingly good at teaching

Are they really though? I have found that when I start probing people’s weird conspiracy theories picked up from blogs/facebook (or even more mainstream partisan disinformation picked up from newspaper op-eds or think tank whitepapers), they are quite shallow and unsophisticated, typically papering over gaping holes in basic knowledge.

“Teaching” a bunch of made up bullshit has much lower standards and requires a lot less effort (for both teacher and pupil) than teaching about complex real-world structures even to a level of basic competence, let alone serious expertise.

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by DEADBEEFC0FFEE on Monday March 25, 2019 @03:50AM (#19480884)
Recommendation engines don't teach, they provide opportunities. That could be useful as a learning approach, if layer on to a tech-tree /leveling learning path.

The analogy with conspiracies is flawed, pretty sure Google and Facebook don't first link to the basics of conspiracies, and then move on from there.

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by CoolGuySteve on Monday March 25, 2019 @03:47AM (#19480877)
I’m pretty sure you can make the same case about things taught in the US about vast swathes of American history like Christopher Columbus, the Louisiana purchase, the pilgrims, etc.

I’m not even American but I’ve noticed the bar’s pretty low after living here for years.

On one hand, we probably shouldn’t be making pedagogical policy based on the most gullible in our society, but on the other, everyone is gullible when they’re young and many continue to be so afterwards.

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by dalore on Monday March 25, 2019 @04:59AM (#19481115)
I see it more from the point of view of it giving extra attention to stuff you didn't learn the first go.

For example some language learning apps already do this, they will show you phrases you have learnt before and if you get them wrong it will show them more often, if you get it right, it will show it less as it knows you know.

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by m4x on Monday March 25, 2019 @02:27AM (#19480658)
The same technology that creates filter bubbles can also be used to counteract them, if desired
Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by hanniabu on Sunday March 24, 2019 @03:01PM (#19478075)
> A textbook that is able to diagnose common misunderstandings from a set of wrong answers to a problem set and evolve its teaching methods.

That'd be extremely useful to have.

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by CoolGuySteve on Sunday March 24, 2019 @03:14PM (#19478153)
I concur. While I appreciate that math education at the elementary and high school level is easier to author and has more data points, where I think this approach would really shine is at the college level.

The main problem in math is that the higher level you reach, the fewer experts who exist or are willing to sit down 1:1 and tutor students.

I think an automated teaching system for analysis, writing proofs, number theory, etc is the next step in democratizing mathematics and science and bringing what is now college-level education down to high school.

IMO most college level math isn't difficult, but not missing a step in your understanding along the way to that level and the 'math anxiety' that's introduced along the way is the real hurdle to teaching. It creates a situation where autodidacts are most rewarded, so why don't we use technology to enable more people to become autodidacts?

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by solipsism on Sunday March 24, 2019 @03:25PM (#19478236)
IMO most college level math isn't difficult

Don't make the mistake of assuming the entire world is like you. Plenty of people struggle with lower level math. What makes you think the concepts are not difficult for them, and to blame only the teaching?

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by galaxyLogic on Sunday March 24, 2019 @05:20PM (#19478846)
It's not either or. It's difficult to understand concepts (well) and it is also difficult to EXPLAIN concepts (well).

The better the explanation the easier it is to understand for more people. Whereas a bad explanation is something that assumes students understand something most of them don't.

It's really not a blame-game but more an impedance mismatch between the teacher and the students. IF you can have your own tutor the tutor can adjust their level of explanation just to you, but that is not economically feasible for most students. Therefore if automated AI-learning text-books can make progress in this direction it is great.

It may be that the biggest impact of AI will be not by having something smarter than us, but something that can teach more people to understand difficult concepts. In other words biggest impact of AI may be in education.

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by galaxyLogic on Sunday March 24, 2019 @05:40PM (#19478944)
A thought: Most people who learn to play piano do so by having a piano-teacher whom they privately meet with once a week or so. Whereas this is not the convention for learning math. Maybe it could apply equally well for math as it does for learning to play piano.
Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by jacobolus on Sunday March 24, 2019 @10:00PM (#19479832)
Note that hiring a private piano teacher for every child in the country would also be a difficult proposition, politically / economically. Especially if we expected every person to reach the level of competence at music that we expect with numeracy/mathematics.

If we wanted to switch from the current classroom model to a private tutorial model, with the amount we currently spend per student on teachers, we could hire 1:1 tutors for only a few hours per week for each student, which would (a) not really be enough time to cover everything students are expected to learn in school, and (b) would then also leave huge amounts of time where the school wasn’t providing childcare service, which is one of its primary purposes.

However, just as upper middle class families can currently afford weekly private piano lessons or 1:1 sport coaching, you are right that they could likewise afford private math tutorials, and get better results than classroom instruction.

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by galaxyLogic on Monday March 25, 2019 @04:33PM (#19486505)
Right. It is impractical and probably wasteful for everybody to have their own private (human) tutor. But therefore I find the prospect of AI-based personal tutors intriguing. The concept of Artificial Intelligence making humans more intelligent in general. Even AI teaching itself.
Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by Natanael_L on Monday March 25, 2019 @06:58AM (#19481493)
For most people I'm certain the problem is to translate it into logic expressions they understand naturally.

It's the same as how most people fail to correctly apply basic logic when presented with arbitary problems and immediately succeed when presented with a human context of person A did X.

All these low level problems needs ways to help people to generalize their existing intuition.

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by feanaro on Sunday March 24, 2019 @06:42PM (#19479189)
> writing proofs

In this vein, there is the Incredible Proof Machine‡, an interactive visual proof assistant designed for introducing beginners to mathematical proofs.

‡ http://incredible.nomeata.de/

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by deanalevitt on Sunday March 24, 2019 @05:56PM (#19479014)
So true. I recently began taking college math courses online for fun and the ALEKS system was great up to Pre-calc, but once I hit calculus, and only found video lecture-based courses, things became frustrating, half-clear and confusing.

Suddenly textbooks and multiple other sources became necessary to combat what you so cleverly called "math anxiety."

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by GuiA on Sunday March 24, 2019 @03:44PM (#19478359)
As a nerdy programmer and human computer interaction researcher, the fact that we are getting incredibly close to having all of the bits required (multitouch, extremely high pixel density screens, batteries/processors that merely add millimeters of thickness to it, recent advances in neural networks, fast enough wireless connectivity to stream high resolution interactive content, etc.) to build this technology is extremely exciting.

As someone who has been doing their best over the past ~10 years to understand how technology has interfaced with societies, cultures, political & business interests, etc. over human history - and all the ways that it has gone wrong - the first thing that I can think of is: who will make this "Young Lady's Primer", and what are their incentives for making it?

A Young Lady's Primer built by the Chinese Communist Party, or Facebook, or American evangelical Christians would be an extremely scary thing.

How can we nerd out on building the former while actively working against the latter?

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by selestify on Monday March 25, 2019 @02:05AM (#19480605)
> As someone who has been doing their best over the past ~10 years to understand how technology has interfaced with societies, cultures, political & business interests, etc. over human history - and all the ways that it has gone wrong

What a fascinating subject to look into! Any books you would recommend?

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by otabdeveloper2 on Sunday March 24, 2019 @04:28PM (#19478573)
> something that learns your interests

It's not rocket science, a mole rat could figure out that kids want to play video games and eat candy all day long.

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by RobLach on Sunday March 24, 2019 @05:16PM (#19478821)
Figuring out and guiding the motivations of children is harder than rocket science.

Putting a rocket into space is just a lot of maths; we're not close to having anything like that in regards to human outcomes.

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by derefr on Sunday March 24, 2019 @04:32PM (#19478582)
Textbooks aren’t just for children. (Adult education is woefully underoptimized.)
Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by otabdeveloper2 on Sunday March 24, 2019 @04:41PM (#19478630)
Adult interests are a no-brainer in the same way.

"Figuring out your interests" isn't the hard or useful part. The hard part is changing your default (usually harmful) interests into something useful and productive.

That involves lots of psychology and (yes) manipulation and coercion.

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by XaoDaoCaoCao on Sunday March 24, 2019 @07:36PM (#19479383)
"useful and productive"

The cognitive nihilist in me shudders at the thought of a technocrat deciding what my own best interests are.

"Your best interests are the games I like to play, not the games you like to play."

Which is a fine position and all that. The objectionable part of it is the pretense of objectivity.

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by danharaj on Sunday March 24, 2019 @04:40PM (#19478620)
One of the most popular video games amongst kids is about tinkering, exploration and building cool stuff.
Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by otabdeveloper2 on Sunday March 24, 2019 @04:45PM (#19478657)
No child learned anything useful in Minecraft.

It's better than Candy Crush (no overt addicting psychological tricks) but ultimately the same kind of waste of time.

No child ever grew up and said "gee, how great it is that I spent 10000 hours in Minecraft instead of doing sports or learning a useful skill".

I grew up on video games myself; trust me, it sucks.

Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by spiralganglion on Sunday March 24, 2019 @04:52PM (#19478703)
I grew up playing video games, and now I'm a graphics programmer. I learned to program because I wanted to make games. Trust me, it slaps.
Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by fazzone on Sunday March 24, 2019 @04:56PM (#19478725)
Some years ago I worked at a technology-oriented summer camp where I personally taught several bright young children to program. Minecraft mods were an incredibly popular project and a big driver of interest for many of the kids. Many of my counselor colleagues got into programming themselves modding Warcraft III and other games of that era. The absolute conversion rate may be low because the playerbase is so huge, but I think something like Minecraft is definitely the first (or zero-th) step in the journey of a lot of kids these days who become interested in technology and will later develop into the next generation of programmers & technologists.
Re:Mathigon – an interactive, personalized mathematics textbook by uneasy-sausage on Sunday March 24, 2019 @05:24PM (#19478860)
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess youve removed most forms of gaming from you life?