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Re:Bitcoin ETF research finds that 95% of Bitcoin volume is ... by gruez on Friday March 22, 2019 @04:05PM (#19466364)
>CoinBene is reported to be the largest bitcoin exchange in the world

I literally never heard of this exchange before today. If some random exchange popped up and overtakes all of long time "legitimate" incumbents (eg. coinbase, bitstamp, kraken) combined, I'd be suspicious of that too. The same applies for most of the other exchanges near the top of the list on slide 22. In reality, I don't think seasoned traders are affected by this, only newcomers and the occasional journalist.

Re:Bitcoin ETF research finds that 95% of Bitcoin volume is ... by nostrademons on Friday March 22, 2019 @04:43PM (#19466720)
"Reported" by CoinMarketCap (and it's dropped to #11 now):

https://coinmarketcap.com/rankings/exchanges/

I think it's pretty well known within the crypto community that CoinMarketCap exchange volumes are bullshit - other than Binance, the top 45 basically consist of exchanges I've never heard of. They're bullshit because there is a ranking, one that many newbies would refer to, and it's trivially easy to fake volumes through wash trading or just lying if you own an exchange. It's been like that for at least a couple years too - when I first found CoinMarketCap, the top exchange was BitMEX by a large margin, which everybody said to stay away with and doesn't even appear today.

Re:Bitcoin ETF research finds that 95% of Bitcoin volume is ... by verroq on Saturday March 23, 2019 @02:59AM (#19469377)
BitMEX isn't a spot exchange. It offers derivatives and futures products. It does has its share of issues (namely system overload) but it is probably the only legitimate platform (i.e. no fake volume) on Coinmarketcap that doesn't get volume counted because it is not spot volume.

The elephant in the room is that the liquidity and trading on BitMEX is legit and many times higher than spot, yet BitMEX is unregulated. Big players can and has used BitMEX to manipulate spot prices (arbitrage/market maker bots will move the price on regulated spot exchanges accordingly). It used to be that most of the manipulation happens on Okcoin futures products. Since the China fiasco in 2016-2017 they lost almost of all of their traders to BitMEX.

Re:Bitcoin ETF research finds that 95% of Bitcoin volume is ... by bufferoverflow on Friday March 22, 2019 @07:19PM (#19467857)
CoinMarketCap simply reports what exchanges report. There's no way for them to get real data.
Re:Bitcoin ETF research finds that 95% of Bitcoin volume is ... by Not_a_pizza on Friday March 22, 2019 @05:32PM (#19467180)
It's a shady industry to be sure, but not hearing of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist or isn't functional in some context.
Re:Bitcoin ETF research finds that 95% of Bitcoin volume is ... by StudentStuff on Friday March 22, 2019 @07:36PM (#19467963)
I'd think the only way to bring honesty to this is to make exchanges report what their inbound/outbound wallets are, apply the ratios of in/out to reported volume gathered from "trustworthy" exchanges, and then you have a fuzzy guesstimate of the volume of these exchanges.

Those exchanges that don't submit data are either doing shady stuff, or don't care to be listed (which is perfectly fine).

Re:Bitcoin ETF research finds that 95% of Bitcoin volume is ... by crsmith on Friday March 22, 2019 @07:34PM (#19467947)
Yup. CMC tries to account for this in its pricing (which is volume-weighted btw) by ignoring those exchanges (which it discloses in the "Markets" section).
Re:Bitcoin ETF research finds that 95% of Bitcoin volume is ... by mygo on Friday March 22, 2019 @04:46PM (#19466764)
what would you say are the top exchanges right now?
Re:Bitcoin ETF research finds that 95% of Bitcoin volume is ... by flurdy on Friday March 22, 2019 @04:55PM (#19466855)
In the original twitter thread: https://twitter.com/BitwiseInvest/status/1109114665240616962

"5/ Only 10 exchanges have >$1M real daily bitcoin trade volume. @binance, @bitfinex, @krakenfx, @Bitstamp, @coinbase, @bitFlyerUSA, @Gemini, @itBit, @BittrexExchange, @Poloniex / @circlepay You can see the daily BTC trade volume on these exchanges at: http://www.bitcointradevolume.com "

Note: Not verified by me, just relevant to the source.

Re:Bitcoin ETF research finds that 95% of Bitcoin volume is ... by nostrademons on Friday March 22, 2019 @05:06PM (#19466975)
Yeah. Subjectively (and this is with a U.S. bias), I would've ranked them as Binance, Coinbase, Bitstamp, Gemini, Bitfinex, Bittrex, Kraken, Poloniex, Bitflyer, Circle, ItBit.

[Now I'm going to peek at the actual volume rankings. Hmm, not bad - Kraken is doing better than I thought, and I underweighted Bitfinex and Bitflyer per U.S. bias, but it's otherwise quite close.]

Re:Bitcoin ETF research finds that 95% of Bitcoin volume is ... by Not_a_pizza on Friday March 22, 2019 @05:45PM (#19467279)
Those match my extremely anecdotal observations in this arena.
Re:Bitcoin ETF research finds that 95% of Bitcoin volume is ... by Scaur on Friday March 22, 2019 @09:06PM (#19468391)
https://www.blockchaintransparency.org/ put some good insight into it - haven't updated since December though
Re:Bitcoin ETF research finds that 95% of Bitcoin volume is ... by Tsubasachan on Saturday March 23, 2019 @07:07AM (#19469970)
Are people even pretending these days that bitcoin is not pure speculation?
Re:Bitcoin ETF research finds that 95% of Bitcoin volume is ... by a13n on Saturday March 23, 2019 @06:07AM (#19469842)
Is it fraud to report false data to the pubic to make your business more successful?

My gut reaction is "this should be illegal"