Re:At $75K, housing a prisoner in California now costs more ...
by gridlockd on Friday March 22, 2019 @01:58PM
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> Though I added something I previously excluded for Table 2, which I'm still unable to find in their sources.
The source given indeed seems to be incorrect.
> No that would be Table 2, not Table 1. Table 1 is about "ex-prisoners" that got convicted of any offense again, not necessarily a prison sentence.
Fair enough but that was my mistaken wording, the table in the source still correctly differentiates between conviction and re-imprisonment.
In any event, I remain unconvinced that these rates are substantially better compared to the rates in the US, especially considering how difficult these numbers are to compare.
Though I added something I previously excluded for Table 2, which I'm still unable to find in their sources.
About your reading of the sources though:
> They picked the number of "ex-prisoners" that become prisoners again (i.e. actual reconviction)
No that would be Table 2, not Table 1. Table 1 is about "ex-prisoners" that got convicted of any offense again, not necessarily a prison sentence.
> you picked the number of "adult offenders" that become prisoners for the first time.
That's not what Table 5.1 [1] is at all: "Reconvictions as a result of any crime, not disposed of through an acquittal, a dismissal by reason of unlikelihood of conviction, or any other technical decision."
> 35% is the average including fines (recidivism: 29%) which make up for the vast majority of sentences. For adult prison sentences the recidivism rate is 45%/39% and for youth prison sentences it is 64%/62% (without/with parole).
Yes. This is where I messed up. Though note that that recidivism rate (45%) is "ex-prisoner" -> any conviction (incl. fines). Which likely fits what they wanted to show in Table 1.
[1]: https://www.wodc.nl/binaries/factsheet-2011-5a-def-4apr2012-...