Re:Using 4LW to reach sites with domains seized by the DHS
by wccrawford on Saturday November 27, 2010 @05:12PM
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It'd be a lot easier to just write down the IP. Nobody is going to actually remember those words, and if they're on a shared IP it's not going to get to them anyhow.
And if they change IPs (because their host shut them down because the government forced it) then the 4 words are worthless.
Re:Using 4LW to reach sites with domains seized by the DHS
by wdaher on Saturday November 27, 2010 @06:53PM
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Agreed. In fact, DNS was developed basically to address many of the problems with this (admittedly cute) idea :)
Its ancestor was basically a system where'd you download a new hosts file every day -- which was doable when the Internet was small, but didn't scale well.
Re:Using 4LW to reach sites with domains seized by the DHS
by Rabidgremlin on Saturday November 27, 2010 @05:06PM
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I suspect we are more likely to see splinter DNS networks get set up and people will just learn how to add these servers to their configs for name resolution...
Can also see a future where the public Internet is deemed completely untrustworthy and everyone just connects with trusted parties over VPNs....
Re:Using 4LW to reach sites with domains seized by the DHS
by benologist on Saturday November 27, 2010 @05:26PM
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I suspect even more that nothing will actually happen. People know there's risk in running torrent sites, they bet the ad revenue will outweigh it and eventually they lose.
It's a nice idea, though the word list may be refined a bit, and there could be larger word lists and something that takes account of nouns/verbs to create more cohesive sentences.
Re:Using 4LW to reach sites with domains seized by the DHS
by trotsky on Saturday November 27, 2010 @05:19PM
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Of course it's actually easier to use bgp to hijack and blackhole a route for an IPv4 address than it is to get new nameservers inserted for a specific domain at the roots. If folks moved to rely on a system that didn't involve lookups, it would become even easier to take them down.
Re:Using 4LW to reach sites with domains seized by the DHS
by trotsky on Saturday November 27, 2010 @06:26PM
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technically no, but practically yes - most implementations discard routes more specific than a /24 to prevent their routing tables from becoming unmanageable.
Stealing a /24 is an awful amount of leverage in convincing the ISP to disconnect a /32 as long as you have enough pull to ensure large networks will continue to respect your routes.
And if they change IPs (because their host shut them down because the government forced it) then the 4 words are worthless.
Its ancestor was basically a system where'd you download a new hosts file every day -- which was doable when the Internet was small, but didn't scale well.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosts_(file)#History
A better solution is to create a de-centralized DNS system.
Can also see a future where the public Internet is deemed completely untrustworthy and everyone just connects with trusted parties over VPNs....
EDIT: I'd forgotten about these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_DNS_root
http://LICK.GORY.ULAN.MUTT.4lw.com would point to 174.143.242.193
Of course, this won't work on virtual hosts.
Edit: or you could just setup a parallel DNS under your own namespace, e.x.
rabidgremlin.com.4lw.com would point to 174.143.242.193
Of course that requires manual administration.
It's a nice idea, though the word list may be refined a bit, and there could be larger word lists and something that takes account of nouns/verbs to create more cohesive sentences.
http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/ecllk/the_4_litt...
http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/ecllk/the_4_litt...
Check out: http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/ecllk/the_4_litt...
The browser needs to send the HOST header with the correct host name, otherwise you'll just get the default site at that IP.
Stealing a /24 is an awful amount of leverage in convincing the ISP to disconnect a /32 as long as you have enough pull to ensure large networks will continue to respect your routes.
https://gist.github.com/718549