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Re:Using 4LW to reach sites with domains seized by the DHS by wccrawford on Saturday November 27, 2010 @05:12PM (#1946019)
It'd be a lot easier to just write down the IP. Nobody is going to actually remember those words, and if they're on a shared IP it's not going to get to them anyhow.

And if they change IPs (because their host shut them down because the government forced it) then the 4 words are worthless.

Re:Using 4LW to reach sites with domains seized by the DHS by wdaher on Saturday November 27, 2010 @06:53PM (#1946204)
Agreed. In fact, DNS was developed basically to address many of the problems with this (admittedly cute) idea :)

Its ancestor was basically a system where'd you download a new hosts file every day -- which was doable when the Internet was small, but didn't scale well.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosts_(file)#History

Re:Using 4LW to reach sites with domains seized by the DHS by tomjen3 on Saturday November 27, 2010 @04:58PM (#1945985)
Its a cool idea, but ultimately it won't help, because sites like these are only worth something if a lot of people know they are there.

A better solution is to create a de-centralized DNS system.

Re:Using 4LW to reach sites with domains seized by the DHS by Rabidgremlin on Saturday November 27, 2010 @05:06PM (#1946002)
I suspect we are more likely to see splinter DNS networks get set up and people will just learn how to add these servers to their configs for name resolution...

Can also see a future where the public Internet is deemed completely untrustworthy and everyone just connects with trusted parties over VPNs....

EDIT: I'd forgotten about these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_DNS_root

Re:Using 4LW to reach sites with domains seized by the DHS by benologist on Saturday November 27, 2010 @05:26PM (#1946046)
I suspect even more that nothing will actually happen. People know there's risk in running torrent sites, they bet the ad revenue will outweigh it and eventually they lose.
Re:Using 4LW to reach sites with domains seized by the DHS by Vivtek on Saturday November 27, 2010 @06:37PM (#1946186)
Yeah, then the Internet could route around the damage, as designed.
Re:Using 4LW to reach sites with domains seized by the DHS by tlrobinson on Saturday November 27, 2010 @07:11PM (#1946235)
Neat idea, now someone needs to setup DNS on a short domain to point to the correct IP, e.x.

http://LICK.GORY.ULAN.MUTT.4lw.com would point to 174.143.242.193

Of course, this won't work on virtual hosts.

Edit: or you could just setup a parallel DNS under your own namespace, e.x.

rabidgremlin.com.4lw.com would point to 174.143.242.193

Of course that requires manual administration.

Re:Using 4LW to reach sites with domains seized by the DHS by jf on Tuesday November 30, 2010 @04:31PM (#1955652)
This would be pretty easy to do with WebDNS: https://github.com/progrium/webdns
Re:Using 4LW to reach sites with domains seized by the DHS by antimatter15 on Saturday November 27, 2010 @05:23PM (#1946036)
I'm not sure why it looks that the URL is through the coral cache, and it's making the site really slow. http://blog.rabidgremlin.com/2010/11/28/4-little-words/

It's a nice idea, though the word list may be refined a bit, and there could be larger word lists and something that takes account of nouns/verbs to create more cohesive sentences.

Re:Using 4LW to reach sites with domains seized by the DHS by Rabidgremlin on Saturday November 27, 2010 @05:30PM (#1946052)
URL is via coral cache so that my tiny weeny webserver doesn't go bang :)
Re:Using 4LW to reach sites with domains seized by the DHS by Rabidgremlin on Saturday November 27, 2010 @06:05PM (#1946118)
Interestingly it now looks like some sites are getting blocked by IP address as well...

http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/ecllk/the_4_litt...

Re:Using 4LW to reach sites with domains seized by the DHS by Rabidgremlin on Saturday November 27, 2010 @06:12PM (#1946132)
Re:Using 4LW to reach sites with domains seized by the DHS by tomjen3 on Saturday November 27, 2010 @06:12PM (#1946131)
not really, the dude just got ice ip address, and not the one the site used.
Re:Using 4LW to reach sites with domains seized by the DHS by sage_joch on Saturday November 27, 2010 @05:20PM (#1946033)
It'd be nice if search engines could link to IPs rather than names for domains that have been censored.
Re:Using 4LW to reach sites with domains seized by the DHS by jorgem on Saturday November 27, 2010 @09:14PM (#1946447)
Isn't it funny how google fights censorship in china, but not a peep when it's in the USA?
Re:Using 4LW to reach sites with domains seized by the DHS by Rabidgremlin on Sunday November 28, 2010 @02:04AM (#1946894)
I love the fact that someone has turned my idea into a DNS server!

Check out: http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/ecllk/the_4_litt...

Re:Using 4LW to reach sites with domains seized by the DHS by nl on Saturday November 27, 2010 @11:05PM (#1946631)
This is a good start, but won't work for HTTP 1.1 multi-site hosting.

The browser needs to send the HOST header with the correct host name, otherwise you'll just get the default site at that IP.

Re:Using 4LW to reach sites with domains seized by the DHS by trotsky on Saturday November 27, 2010 @05:19PM (#1946032)
Of course it's actually easier to use bgp to hijack and blackhole a route for an IPv4 address than it is to get new nameservers inserted for a specific domain at the roots. If folks moved to rely on a system that didn't involve lookups, it would become even easier to take them down.
Re:Using 4LW to reach sites with domains seized by the DHS by tomjen3 on Saturday November 27, 2010 @06:16PM (#1946143)
isn't bgp limited to send messages for at least /24?
Re:Using 4LW to reach sites with domains seized by the DHS by trotsky on Saturday November 27, 2010 @06:26PM (#1946165)
technically no, but practically yes - most implementations discard routes more specific than a /24 to prevent their routing tables from becoming unmanageable.

Stealing a /24 is an awful amount of leverage in convincing the ISP to disconnect a /32 as long as you have enough pull to ensure large networks will continue to respect your routes.

Re:Using 4LW to reach sites with domains seized by the DHS by a_magical_me on Saturday November 27, 2010 @10:37PM (#1946580)
I wrote a script to translate IP addresses into 4LW and back again.

https://gist.github.com/718549

Re:Using 4LW to reach sites with domains seized by the DHS by its2010already on Sunday November 28, 2010 @10:58AM (#1947519)
How about just putting those entries in your /etc/hosts file?