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Re:Facebook Stored Hundreds of Millions of User Passwords in... by tptacek on Thursday March 21, 2019 @07:48PM (#19458457)
These aren't "leaked" passwords; they're logged in plaintext internally, which is not great, but is not the same thing as having leaked them.
Re:Facebook Stored Hundreds of Millions of User Passwords in... by EpicEng on Thursday March 21, 2019 @08:01PM (#19458534)
"leaked" in the sense that they're somewhere they shouldn't be. I could have chosen a better word. if I were to store database passwords on a file share the entire company had access to we would consider that a "leak" even though they weren't exposed externally.
Re:Facebook Stored Hundreds of Millions of User Passwords in... by tptacek on Thursday March 21, 2019 @09:03PM (#19458836)
HIPAA/HITECH would not necessarily; the analysis would have to include compensating controls and who had access. The fact pattern in this Facebook case would probably not support a violation. Again: crappy stored passwords aren't PHI.
Re:Facebook Stored Hundreds of Millions of User Passwords in... by EpicEng on Thursday March 21, 2019 @09:42PM (#19458991)
I think perhaps I wasn't clear enough on the boundaries of my analogy and where it falls apart.

You work in the industry so you know that the FDA is not highly prescriptive. They give you a general outline of, essentially, process. HIPAA goes into more detail, but still, an organization has quite a bit of leeway as to how the meet regulatory requirements.

As far as passwords go, you're correct. Passwords in logs aren't a direct violation as far as I'm aware. If e.g. an employee gained access to data they shouldn't have access to per internal policy and used that data in an illegal manner, _then_ you have a problem.

Still though, I never meant to imply that what happened at FB would violate FDA regs. What I said was:

>I've worked in healthcare / biotech for more than a decade and I can promise you that the FDA would see no difference between the two types of gaffes.

The "two types" in question here were defined by the GP ("easy to make" mistakes like logging and something something about database design.) I wasn't referring to passwords specifically, and I don't believe that this is as bad as e.g. PHI just sitting around for anyone to see.

The analogy was meant to convey this; in a health care environment we are required to secure (encrypt) PHI and PII at rest. If we were found in violation of that, it wouldn't matter if it got there via logs or poor database design.

Again, I realize this is not an FDA/HIPAA situation. My experience with sensitive data is in that sort of environment, and I believe the same sort of mentality should be taken by FB in regards to the security and privacy of their users.

Wow, didn't expect that to get so long. My thumbs aren't made for this.