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Re:Brazil waives visas for visitors from U.S., Canada, Austr... by nbardy on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @02:03PM (#19444958)
I visited Brazil with an American passport a few years ago and ended up spending a bunch of time gathering documents and visiting the embassy back and forth. It was pretty discouraging and draining and I thought about not going.

Potentially turned away tourists, but now I also I understand what it's like to go through the process and I'm a big proponent of more free borders. It's a double edge sword, but it certainly left a similar impact on the other Americans I met in Brazil as well.

Re:Brazil waives visas for visitors from U.S., Canada, Austr... by thraway-burnout on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @02:40PM (#19445390)
> I visited Brazil with an American passport a few years ago and ended up spending a bunch of time gathering documents and visiting the embassy back and forth. It was pretty discouraging and draining and I thought about not going.

That is the same as when a Brazilian would like to visit the US. This general waiving of requirements simply guarantees that Brazil's the only one getting the short end of the stick. A negotiated reciprocal agreement would be much better.

Re:Brazil waives visas for visitors from U.S., Canada, Austr... by m0zg on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @02:49PM (#19445478)
>> reciprocal agreement would be much better

It would also be completely unrealistic as millions of Brazilians would just go to the US and stay there. Reciprocity doesn't work between countries with significantly different wealth and standard of living.

I've been on the receiving end of US visa process. They require you to demonstrate that you have substantial ties to your country that would make it more likely that you'll eventually leave the US. Income, real estate or other assets, children/wife staying, that kind of thing. That's not a guarantee you'll return, of course, it just makes it more likely.

Re:Brazil waives visas for visitors from U.S., Canada, Austr... by thraway-burnout on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @02:56PM (#19445551)
> It would also be completely unrealistic as millions of Brazilians would just go to the US and stay there.

Millions? I don't think so. Maybe a few thousands? I think you overestimate the amount of people in Brazil who fancy a life in the US. Furthermore, I also think you overestimate the amount of people who, fancying a life in the US, are actually able to secure financial and social resources to move there.

Brazilians have visa-free access to Europe[0] and you don't see "millions of Brazilians" just going there and staying. Why would it be different?

[0] Technically there's a visa which is granted on arrival

Re:Brazil waives visas for visitors from U.S., Canada, Austr... by m0zg on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @04:04PM (#19446267)
I don't know about living in Europe illegally, but I can tell you that I at one point considered moving to Germany legally (and was offered a job there, which is very much a prerequisite for such a move).

I have found their immigration process so onerous, I decided against it. One of the most irritating things was, my wife would not be able to work for 5 years (IIRC, it's been a while) if there are _any_ Germans whatsoever willing to take the job she'd be applying for. She's an accountant, so that would definitely be the case. I mean, I see the point of all this _for Germany_, but that definitely put them at a disadvantage in attracting me to work there, in addition to much lower pay that my profession gets in Germany (which, ironically made the second income much more desirable).

People in the US seem to think that EU is this open borders paradise where "ihre papiere bitte" is not a thing. It very much is a thing.

Re:Brazil waives visas for visitors from U.S., Canada, Austr... by diebeforei485 on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @03:02PM (#19445625)
Because it's far easier to live in the US without papers. It's much more difficult to do that in Europe.
Re:Brazil waives visas for visitors from U.S., Canada, Austr... by retiredcoder on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @04:20PM (#19446423)
I would like to see some stats on Brazilian immigration in Europe vs USA, both legal and ilegal.

Sometimes, Brazilians in US are categorized as Latinos but in reality, outside Boston and maybe Florida, there isn’t that expressive Brazilian communities in the USA.

Re:Brazil waives visas for visitors from U.S., Canada, Austr... by JBReefer on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @05:41PM (#19447252)
There's nearly a million Brazilians in the US, including nearly 100,000 in NYC alone [0].

Protip: Go to Carioca in Astoria or Copacabana on 39th Ave. Holy shit Brazilians can cook.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Americans

Re:Brazil waives visas for visitors from U.S., Canada, Austr... by retiredcoder on Thursday March 21, 2019 @09:49AM (#19452272)
I guess my motivation was more to dwelve on historical fact European immigration to Brazil could make easier for European Brazilians descendants to immigrate back to Europe legally? Yet, I suspect it is not as much as it could be.
Re:Brazil waives visas for visitors from U.S., Canada, Austr... by gcb0 on Friday March 22, 2019 @02:12PM (#19465248)
You still only tasted the bureaucracy annoyance. For visiting the USA you have that plus the problems of being turned away by sheer caprice of the border agent. In the end you still are being treated much better all things considered.
Re:Brazil waives visas for visitors from U.S., Canada, Austr... by dep_b on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @02:30PM (#19445293)
Your problem is that you don't have an American passport, you have a United States passport. It would be pretty nice if American passports would exist.
Re:Brazil waives visas for visitors from U.S., Canada, Austr... by seppin on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @02:59PM (#19445592)
You do know that "American" is shorthand for citizen of the USA in everywhere else in the world, right?
Re:Brazil waives visas for visitors from U.S., Canada, Austr... by dep_b on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @03:04PM (#19445648)
Like the word "Yankee". Both words seem to rub some people the wrong way.
Re:Brazil waives visas for visitors from U.S., Canada, Austr... by cesarb on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @03:54PM (#19446174)
Personally, I avoid using the words "American" or "America", as they can be ambiguous: are you talking about the country, or the continent?