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Re:Altimir: Life in the depopulated Bulgarian countryside [v... by chimen on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @04:44AM (#19429080)
Joining EU had this effect on my country as well (Romania). There are entire villages (I lived in one of them for 6 years and I can make a difference) where just old people can be found. The young left for other countries (mostly UK and Italy) and to the bigger cities but the latter did so because, for some reason, they couldn't find anything abroad.

What you're left with is nothing but old people who are easily manipulated into voting for whoever promises a bigger pension - sad but true, they dictate the future by majority. It's been years since we're fighting corruption at the highest level without success.

Bulgaria is even scarier than that. We travel to or through Bulgaria almost each year (going to their beaches or to Turkey) and we happen to go through huge areas without seeing people at all. Often times, when stopping for gas (true story, happened to us last year), you encounter really shady people that simply look for trouble - especially with the ladies. In one occasion we stopped for more than 30 mins and the individuals started "gathering up" and doing whatever they can to spark a fight with us.

I have friends who traveled at night and swear to not do it again. They encountered the same type of individuals that were cutting trees onto the road to prevent you from going any further and try to rob people. We have a rule, never travel Bulgaria alone, even if you're alone at the border you need to find someone else going to the same direction and go in packs.

Sad to see a country go down like that. We have witnessed this country getting worse and worse each year. Also, they seem to be even more corrupt than us, we prepare batches of 10 euros for police because we know they will stop us, we just get the paper out of the windows, salute and go...that's all they want.

I'm curious if other Bulgarians are aware of the difficulties we have to deal with while traveling in their country.

Edit: I see some folks complain that I'm fabricating. I own a tourism small business and we always warn people of 2 things when doing Bulgaria:

1 - Never park your car where it's not being guarded, filmed, monitored (lots of cases with people left without their vehicle) 2 - Never stop at night on the road (if you can)

Romanian journalism (requires translation). The internet is filled:

- http://www.reporterntv.ro/stire/vacanta-de-cosmar-pentru-o-f...

- https://www.romaniatv.net/romani-lasati-fara-masini-in-timp-...

- https://www.promotor.ro/opinii/george-buhnici-despre-problem...

- https://www.digi24.ro/stiri/actualitate/social/romani-ramasi...

- https://movafaq.wordpress.com/2017/02/10/romanian-cars-bulga...

- https://www.b1.ro/stiri/auto/varna-hoti-romani-furati-in-bul...

- https://www.libertatea.ro/stiri/masini-furate-in-bulgaria-17...

- https://stirileprotv.ro/stiri/actualitate/vacanta-in-bulgari...

- https://observator.tv/social/vacanta-la-schi-in-bulgaria-a-l...

- http://www.bmwclub.ro/forums/topic/171395-bmw-furat-in-bulga...

I can go on but there's no point.

Re:Altimir: Life in the depopulated Bulgarian countryside [v... by robocat on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @05:51AM (#19429383)
A few years ago I traveled solo through Bulgaria for a few days from Serbia to Greece on a 50cc Yamaha DT50R, avoiding major roads (due to small engine and it's just fun - spent a month going from Marseille to Istanbul - loved all the ex-yugoslav countries).

Never noticed anything dangerous while traveling in Bulgaria, although Sofia has that normal big city be-careful feel to it. No bribes required either.

Obviously only a few days and not a local and maybe I didn't see the rough areas...

Edit: obviously there is danger throughout many parts of Europe. I just wanted to say that travelling solo through mountainous roads on a 50cc motorbike and often staying in hick areas, I felt welcome. Then again: I wasn't in a campervan or riding a BMW; I am not from a usually hated country; YMMV.

Re:Altimir: Life in the depopulated Bulgarian countryside [v... by madaxe_again on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @08:27AM (#19430113)
Ditto, I spent three weeks there last year travelling the hinterlands - everywhere from the Romanian border to the Turkish border, and from Sofia to the Black Sea - on back roads for the most part.

At no point did I feel unsafe - and I drove at night, walked through cities at night, parked my shiny hire car wherever.

We did see plenty of depopulated rural towns and villages, but there seems to be a substantial push into ecotourism, and we met several young couples who had returned to renovate homes in their home villages. Got chatting to plenty of older locals, too - they speak German, the young folks English. Very warm, and welcoming, everywhere we met people.

We did find that almost every museum and historic site had to be unlocked for us, as we were usually the only people at any of them - all the tourists were at Sveti Blas, lying on the beach.

I don’t know - maybe it’s just a relative scale thing - I would count walking through Sao Paolo at night as somewhat sketchy, but not the instant death sentence that people seem to think it is, for instance.

Just because it’s covered heavily in the media doesn’t mean it’s commonplace.

Re:Altimir: Life in the depopulated Bulgarian countryside [v... by newnewpdro on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @01:44PM (#19433328)
Avoiding the major roads/popular routes is an effective means of avoiding these types of problems. The criminals aren't interested in setting up an overnight road-block robbery/car-jacking where zero wealthy targets pass through.

I also think people in general tend to disproportionately exaggerate risks relative to the actual probabilities. Something exceptionally brazen and bad happens a few times making it into the news and now it's certain to happen to you should you go there.

Regardless though, if an alternative exists with 100% fewer reports of such problems, it's probably a safer choice relatively speaking.

But in my limited experience I have never found a "dangerous" place to be anywhere near as dangerous as its reputation described.

Re:Altimir: Life in the depopulated Bulgarian countryside [v... by sbmthakur on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @06:54AM (#19429674)
Did you also travel through the night?
Re:Altimir: Life in the depopulated Bulgarian countryside [v... by robocat on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @07:00AM (#19429701)
After dark - yes. Very late at night - no.
Re:Altimir: Life in the depopulated Bulgarian countryside [v... by chewyland on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @05:36AM (#19429307)
I have visited over 80 Bulgarian towns and villages in my campervan over the last 6 years and have never seen anything what you are describing.

Sure, lots of empty towns, plenty of poverty and old people but did ever feel fear or see any violence, not once.

BTW, I'm just a random friendly Canadian who talks with everyone.

Re:Altimir: Life in the depopulated Bulgarian countryside [v... by Asooka on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @06:21AM (#19429526)
I'm from Bulgaria. The stuff in OP's post definitely happens and there are more than enough areas like what he describes. Generally the area around Sofia/Plovdiv is civilized (South-West quadrant). But the South-East is depopulated and if he's going from Romania to Turkey, he'll be passing through the rougher parts of the countryside. I wonder if Google Maps or similar made him take a route off the highway as well. Don't do that. 100% on point about the road police.

I wouldn't blame the EU for these developments though, it's the natural consequence of how our country developed post-Soviet rule. I also can't blame the old people for voting how they do, for them it's life or death. At least the EU can keep some check on the corruption, without them we'd be a de-facto Russian vassal and there's no corruption like Russian oligarch corruption.

Re:Altimir: Life in the depopulated Bulgarian countryside [v... by cromat3 on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @06:32AM (#19429568)
Same happened to Croatia. From 2013. when we joined EU, Croatia lost at least 140000 people, which is about 3,3% of population, but unlike Bulgaria, I can say that Croatia is a really safe country.
Re:Altimir: Life in the depopulated Bulgarian countryside [v... by chimen on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @06:44AM (#19429625)
Croatia is really a sight. Very nice place. On the expensive side though.
Re:Altimir: Life in the depopulated Bulgarian countryside [v... by ido on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @08:30AM (#19441372)
I visited (from Germany) last summer & it seemed very reasonably priced to me. Guess it depends on expectations & context!
Re:Altimir: Life in the depopulated Bulgarian countryside [v... by witty_user_name on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @08:40AM (#19430166)
By the way your article would suggest that car theft is a significantly larger problem in Romania than BG.

From https://movafaq.wordpress.com/2017/02/10/romanian-cars-bulga...

> In 2012 (the last year for which data are available) vehicle thefts in Bulgaria rose to 0.4 per 1,000 people in the population ... For Romania, the number is 1.6 per 1000 people

Re:Altimir: Life in the depopulated Bulgarian countryside [v... by witty_user_name on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @05:57AM (#19429403)
I've lived here for a couple of years and traveled most of the country. I've never seen anything like you describe.

There are enough challenges for this little country without the need to fabricate more of them.