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Re:Why Asians wear surgical masks in public (2014) by coldtea on Monday March 18, 2019 @05:04AM (#19419583)
>The societal pressure on appearance is so high, that just going to the grocery shopping without makeup is seen a socially unacceptable.

Well, "socially unacceptable" if you're superficial and want to be popular and trendy.

I have a few Korean friends and they don't particularly care.

So, it's as much "pressure" as wearing brand name clothes would be in the Valley in the 90s.

Re:Why Asians wear surgical masks in public (2014) by Veen on Monday March 18, 2019 @05:14AM (#19419636)
> if you're superficial and want to be popular and trendy

You can be concerned about being popular and trendy without being superficial. Ignoring fashion, style, and appearance standards can hurt your life chances and your relationships with other people. In societies where popularity and trendiness signal and enhance status, it's rational to be concerned about them.

Re:Why Asians wear surgical masks in public (2014) by coldtea on Monday March 18, 2019 @07:56AM (#19420339)
>You can be concerned about being popular and trendy without being superficial. Ignoring fashion, style, and appearance standards can hurt your life chances and your relationships with other people.

If your worried about your "life chances and your relationships with other people" based on fashion and style, then you're superficial, and those are superficial relations (and a superficial career).

Not caring about "fashion and style" doesn't mean you're some hobo style slob (which would indeed hurt your relations and life chances for non-superficial reasons, e.g. because you smell and wear shorts at the office).

Re:Why Asians wear surgical masks in public (2014) by b_tterc_p on Monday March 18, 2019 @09:09AM (#19420699)
Are they actually living in urban Korea with white collar jobs?
Re:Why Asians wear surgical masks in public (2014) by wigl on Monday March 18, 2019 @05:09PM (#19425342)
Being around Koreans as a non Korean, especially in another country, is vastly different than being in Korea. As someone below asked, if your friends are not living in urban Korea working white collar jobs this is likely less relevant. OC's friend was most likely half joking, half not.

>Well, "socially unacceptable" if you're superficial and want to be popular and trendy.

The hardship of trying to break into an exclusive group ("popular") and working towards that goal ("trendy") is not too far off from that which looms over much of Korean culture. The fear that a social slight might cast you as an outlier, hurting your possibility of getting into such a group and undoing all your work, is unfortunately well founded. In the Korean language, if one is an outlier in a group, the word used to compare them to the rest is not "different" but "wrong."

You also imply that one's own sense of identity should be the main view considered, over the "superficial" views of others. While I agree on moral grounds, this is simply not the case in Korea.

Tablo incident: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablo#2010%E2%80%9311:_Musical... It doesn't matter if Stanford verified his attendance--if it seemed fishy it was as good as true.

Korean Air stewards being required to do makeup training: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/05/the-k-pop... "This February, cabin crew for Korean Airlines participated in makeup training, a mandatory requirement for all new stewardesses. This year, there were more than the usual numbers in the room. Korean Air now requires male cabin crew to attend -- and to learn how to blush and bronze themselves."

https://www.businessinsider.com/plastic-surgery-in-south-kor... "In fact, a 2016 survey by Saramin, a Korean online job portal, found that more than 60% of human resources personnel feel an applicant's appearance affects his or her candidacy."

In a country where photos are usually required with applications for jobs that are expected to last you your lifetime, would it be superficial to use makeup/photoshop in your photo? At least nobody in Korea thinks so.

Not mentioned: Korea espouses a ton of misogynistic attitudes towards women