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Re:Germany to make it a crime to run a Tor node or website by magduf on Friday March 15, 2019 @03:52PM (#19403561)
>I don't think we're that far away from outlawing human driven cars. There are probably tons of people in government and law enforcement who would be all for it.

It will be a great day when human drivers are banned. Humans can't handle driving, and they cause 40,000 deaths per year in the US alone. Computers will be able to do this far better.

But your analogy isn't very good. Assuming we have driverless cars in the future that really are extremely reliable and safe, then I don't see what argument you can possibly make to allow human drivers, other than "I like driving". The interest of public safety clearly overrules your interest in being in control of your own car like in the "old days", just like the interest in public safety prevents you from flying your private airplane in controlled airspace without proper radio equipment, transponder, ATC clearance, etc.

However, all kinds of valid arguments can be made against a DRM-laden internet with devices you don't control. There's tons of things people simply wouldn't be able to do (such as write their own software) in such a world. The actual harm caused by the present state of things really isn't very much, if anything (can it be quantified?), the proposed solution doesn't really seem like it'll fix the supposed problems (they had drugs and stuff before the internet after all), and the proposed solution would impose giant costs on society. By contrast, driverless cars (at least the hypothetical ones assumed above) would fix a big problem, and would have very few downsides I can see.

Re:Germany to make it a crime to run a Tor node or website by stcredzero on Friday March 15, 2019 @04:58PM (#19404239)
It will be a great day when human drivers are banned. Humans can't handle driving, and they cause 40,000 deaths per year in the US alone. Computers will be able to do this far better.

Sure!...if we all actually owned our machines and the government wasn't using the mechanisms through large corporations to spy on us and control us. The thing is, many people in the government and large corporations are going to try and do just that, because it is in their short term interest to do so.

Assuming we have driverless cars in the future that really are extremely reliable and safe, then I don't see what argument you can possibly make to allow human drivers, other than "I like driving".

"I like driving," should be enough. Maybe there should be certain regions where you can still do it, but busy city highways would be restricted. In any case, it's not so much driverless cars that are the problem, so much as cars that are controlled by powerful organizations with interests that aren't the individual and individual autonomy and freedom of movement being taken away in a practical sense.

The actual harm caused by the present state of things really isn't very much, if anything (can it be quantified?)

This is how tyranny generally goes. At first, the Soviets were bright eyed and idealistic about the project of building a new society. Heck, even Germany in the late 1930's was like this, with progressives in the USA singing the praises of the "progressive" policies and energy of the new regime.

By contrast, driverless cars (at least the hypothetical ones assumed above) would fix a big problem, and would have very few downsides I can see.

No disagreement, again. The question is, will this eventually be implemented in a way where everyone is going to report in to Big Brother and ask permission to take a trip?

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Re:Germany to make it a crime to run a Tor node or website by JoeAltmaier on Monday March 18, 2019 @11:00AM (#19421597)
Driving on well-regulated roads designed to carry car traffic. Don't be stringing strawmen all over the furniture.
Re:Germany to make it a crime to run a Tor node or website by dorgo on Friday March 15, 2019 @05:05PM (#19404289)
> I don't see what argument you can possibly make to allow human drivers, other than "I like driving"

Why not? Let them drive like they want. At least until the crash/accident is imminent. Then the car takes over and prevents harm...

Re:Germany to make it a crime to run a Tor node or website by stcredzero on Friday March 15, 2019 @05:16PM (#19404373)
Right now, it's the other way around. Car drives itself, then the human is supposed to jump in.