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Re:Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox by manigandham on Thursday March 14, 2019 @06:51PM (#19394689)
Or maybe people are complicated and they use tools to connect and amplify natural behavior. All this digital technology and instant communication with everyone is still very new and the human species is still learning how to best use it. If Facebook didn't exist then something else would've taken its place. This is part of technological progress and similar things happened with the invention of radio, tv and telecom.

It's very presumptuous to think a single person or company knows better than the entire world on whether something is "good" or not.

Re:Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox by GuiA on Thursday March 14, 2019 @07:17PM (#19394869)
Well, the people who argue that these networks have an overall negative impact have plenty of examples to draw from - ranging from the last US election, to the genocide in Myanmar, the extremely fine ad targeting it enables perpetuating sociology economical discrimination, etc.

People who argue for its value mostly point to the fact that grandma can see pictures of the kids and other pedestrian examples of things that were just as feasible over email/instant chat before planetary scale social networks.

At this point it’s becoming pretty clear that open by default social networks à la Twitter/Facebook are generally a bad thing for our societies.

Re:Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox by manigandham on Thursday March 14, 2019 @08:03PM (#19395155)
It's not clear at all, you just picked a random example of grandma when the reality is billions of people have and connected to each other and there are many examples of people avoiding censorship, exposing crimes, finding loved ones, getting help, and spreading news that otherwise wouldn't have happened.

The real issue is human nature. Social media is just a new medium that facilitates instant (and optionally public) communication but its still the same people at the end of the day. Email, chat and phone calls still have have vast amounts of scammers and propaganda and that will continue into any new comms that people use. There's no magic solution for that and never will be.

Re:Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox by _jal on Thursday March 14, 2019 @10:32PM (#19395930)
> The real issue is human nature.

So is theft, murder, and the intentional infliction of pain for amusement. You can't dodge responsibility that way.

You're also ignoring several aspects that makes FB different in kind than a lot of what came before it. As but one example, they are the world's largest blackmail machine. Maybe you trust Zuckerberg & pals now, what happens when they're gone? When FB goes in to decline? When an internal threat hacks them? When Singapore or Russia or worse approaches FB systems folks with carrots and sticks? Has that happened already? How would we know?

I'm personally of the opinion that it was a terrible idea to build it in the first place.

Re:Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox by manigandham on Friday March 15, 2019 @03:46AM (#19397501)
Those actions are already crimes. You can use a knife to cut vegetables or stab someone but it's a stretch to say we shouldn't have invented knives because someone did something bad with it.

Likewise social media is not just Facebook but a tool for communicating, and any use for good or evil is up to the individual. Facebook is also just one company and has at least a dozen major competitors. The companies will come and go but the tech is here to stay.

Re:Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox by GuiA on Thursday March 14, 2019 @09:08PM (#19395535)
There is no magic solution to preventing people from being people, but it’s still a good thing to not build systems that allow any entity with an internet connection to find, connect, and share content instantly to anyone and everyone all over the world.

Mark Zuckerberg has long held the belief that a more connected world is a better world - and 10 years ago, I was as optimistic as he was. Today, I know for a fact that connecting my grandpa to people in Russia paid a few hundred dollars a month by activists to spread FUD is a terrible idea.

Yes, email, chat, IMs, etc are also being abused - but they all have a certain amount of friction and properties that put them nowhere near the kind of scales that social networks enable.

You can only have one phone conversation at a time due to the nature of the medium, and when it’s over, it’s over - whereas partaking in a Facebook/Twitter thread will feed you an addictive slow drip of notifications over the next few days. People don’t really get their news (in the formal sense) by phone conversations, so media companies aren’t incentivized to flood you with phone conversations about increasingly controversial topics to keep you engaged to generate ad dollars. Because phone conversations are real time and decentralized, no entity can prevent anyone from saying a certain word or mentioning a certain event for instance, the way social networks can and have.

Email is an interesting one - sure there’s spams and scams, but it’s fairly non instantaneous, and the decentralized aspect means that no single entity can choose what emails people will see. Email users also don’t expect their email server to be injecting content in their email queue, or reordering their emails to try to get them to read things that will generate dollars for them. It has its flaws, but people just don’t feel manipulated by their email as a medium (although of course individual emails can manipulate people) .

Social media is just the perfect storm of tapping into human compulsions, a product controlled by a single company which seeks to derive profit above all else, misaligned free market incentives between platforms, advertisers and consumers, etc. This all makes for formidably harmful forces, and responding to the fact that these social networks have determining roles in genocides with vague platitudes such as “but they enable people to find loved ones and report crimes” comes across as a tad disconnected.

And avoiding censorship? Facebook, Twitter, etc cooperate with governments to enable censorship! If you want to avoid censorship, you are much better served by the broader, open, decentralized internet.

In case it isn’t clear, I’m a huge fan of the internet, email, instant messaging, message boards, and so on. Social networks in their current incarnation though are a very destructive virus for human culture.

Re:Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox by manigandham on Thursday March 14, 2019 @10:05PM (#19395812)
You need to separate the communications medium from the corporation providing it. Facebook is not the only social network. There are hundreds of them and when one falls, another takes its place. Technological progress is unending.

There's no use in trying to argue why something shouldn't be done when it inevitably will be and already has, what we need is to think of ways we can adapt as a species and society to handle it with the proper care and concern.

Re:Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox by Spooky23 on Thursday March 14, 2019 @10:49PM (#19396007)
Humanity doesn’t need to adapt to Facebook. Imagine if you said this about cars in 1919... we could put up traffic lights or evolve to leap out of the way of cars.

If Facebook needs to enjoy an AT&T style monopoly on connecting people, they need to submit to being under a regulatory thumb.

Re:Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox by manigandham on Thursday March 14, 2019 @11:01PM (#19396063)
As I just said, you're conflating the social network with Facebook the company.

Instant feed-based communications with varying levels of follower/friendship levels is a new technology provided by many organizations. Some are massive monopolies and others are indie apps, it doesn't matter but the tech is not going away so yes, we the people will need to learn how to deal with it.

Re:Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox by Spooky23 on Friday March 15, 2019 @08:11AM (#19398911)
No, I’m not. Facebook’s scale and business practices is the problem, not the social graph or feed. Facebook sought to make friction re: sharing and signaling as low as possible. The result is obvious. But that outcome is not inevitable or fundamental to the technology, it’s a conscious engineering decision made by the firm.

Unrestricted broadcast access was understood as a problem with radio 100 years ago. Society controlled that with a regulatory stick and will likely do so again.

Re:Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox by manigandham on Friday March 15, 2019 @06:07PM (#19404770)
So Twitter is fine? Reddit is fine? Youtube? Instagram? Whatsapp? Gab? Tumblr? Wechat? QQ? Snapchat? Sina Weibo? VKontakte?

If you're comparing to radio then it's back to talking about the medium instead of a specific company and the same fundamental problems are inherent in all of them because of the social feed concept allowing for instant communications spread through a graph of connections. We've never had this same model before. Radio had interference and physical limitations but digital networks allow ideas to spread with infinite capacity and following 1:1 conversations until they reach everyone.

Sure Facebook has made their own tweaks like every other network, and maybe regulation can solve some of those issues and get everyone to the same base utility, but that's going to be a very hard battle that's limited to certain regions and doesn't affect anything about the underlying communications concept.

We still need to learn to live with social media regardless of who is providing and in what variation.

Re:Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox by ahartmetz on Friday March 15, 2019 @05:59AM (#19398178)
I think you are making a mistake here. You are believing what Mark Zuckerberg said he believes. I think he believes that Facebook users are dumb fucks.
Re:Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox by guntars on Thursday March 14, 2019 @08:08PM (#19395179)
Sharing photos with your family and aquintances has been feasible since the invention of snail mail and photography, yet it wasn’t done at nowhere near this scale. Ultimately people get enough value out of Facebook to use it for a billion hours a day, but it’s easy to forget that and just focus on the negative effects.
Re:Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox by GuiA on Thursday March 14, 2019 @08:57PM (#19395465)
Saying people “get enough value out of Facebook to use it a billion hours a day” is a gross oversimplication.

After all, don’t people get enough value out of cigarettes to smoke millions of them every day?

Re:Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox by blackoil on Thursday March 14, 2019 @07:31PM (#19394971)
How do we know that examples are not polluted by the biases. Not so long ago FB/Twitter was hailed for its role in Obama's campaign and Arab Spring. It is still being used same except now we don't like the side using it.
Re:Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox by myle on Thursday March 14, 2019 @07:24PM (#19394926)
I am sure the company has access to metrics that the public doesn't. The argument that the uninformed majority is a priory right is not convincing enough.

...No offense to anyone's democratic beliefs.

Re:Facebook Loses Top Executives, Including Chris Cox by manigandham on Thursday March 14, 2019 @08:04PM (#19395163)
Can you share an example of what kind of metrics that would be? What's the KPI for social media being net positive or negative?