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Re:DARPA Is Building a $10M, Open-Source, Secure Voting System by dragontamer on Thursday March 14, 2019 @04:39PM (#19393442)
The Butterfly ballots WERE paper ballots.

Give America an idea, and SOMEONE in America will royally screw it up. Its a big country filled with lots of smart people, but also filled with lots of dumb people.

DARPA is working to come up with the standard that the whole country should follow. That's good and useful research. Even if it comes out to be the obvious solution (a paper ballot off of a damn printer), there's benefit to one of the major research institutions of this country telling the rest of the country how things should be done.

Re:DARPA Is Building a $10M, Open-Source, Secure Voting System by dragonwriter on Thursday March 14, 2019 @05:12PM (#19393778)
> The Butterfly ballots WERE paper ballots.

They were particularly badly arranged punch card ballots; the solutions to both the bad arrangement (“don't do that, like most people didn't do previously”) and the punch card (”use optical scan”) related problems are not only well known but pretty widely adopted.

Re:DARPA Is Building a $10M, Open-Source, Secure Voting System by dragontamer on Thursday March 14, 2019 @05:43PM (#19394106)
I agree. But why did butterfly ballots proliferate in Florida?

Ultimately: the administrators weren't thinking about ballot issues. Palm Beach, Florida, was understaffed and underpaid, under-invested. They had other things on their mind when they deployed their machines.

They needed to move off of the punch-card system ASAP, but they couldn't afford to. They had the same issue in 1996 before the famous year 2000 issue. It was known, but not much could be done about it.

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I guess this printer methodology from DARPA might be too expensive. Or maybe the scanning machines can be owned by the state, so that poorer areas won't have to invest into the machines. Etc. etc.

There's a lot of issues aside from "use paper ballots". The entire voting system needs to be considered. I hope that DARPA's challenge will include these issues in their design process.

Re:DARPA Is Building a $10M, Open-Source, Secure Voting System by dragonwriter on Thursday March 14, 2019 @05:48PM (#19394148)
> They needed to move off of the punch-card system ASAP, but they couldn't afford to

Sure, but moving money around to deal with that problem is easy (and mostly doable intrastate, but, a federal role isn't unreasonable.)

But this isn't a problem calling for novel technology. (As has already been demonstrated by the move to e-voting that happened in many places after 2000, though some people got the wrong message and decided that we just chose the wrong technical solution—but a lot of that is due to lobbying by the people selling technical solutions.)

Re:DARPA Is Building a $10M, Open-Source, Secure Voting System by azernik on Thursday March 14, 2019 @06:56PM (#19394723)
> Give America an idea, and SOMEONE in America will royally screw it up. Its a big country filled with lots of smart people, but also filled with lots of dumb people.

More specifically - it's a big country with a fantastic amount of decentralization. Elections are run and ballots are designed not, by national governments, not by state governments, but by county governments. The chance that someone will mess up is a lot higher.

(Of course, this does have the advantage that centralized tampering with the ballot is harder.)

Re:DARPA Is Building a $10M, Open-Source, Secure Voting System by misingnoglic on Thursday March 14, 2019 @05:05PM (#19393706)
Give America an idea, and SOMEONE will find a way to exploit it
Re:DARPA Is Building a $10M, Open-Source, Secure Voting System by MrQuincle on Friday March 15, 2019 @02:44AM (#19397148)
In this case perhaps paper where you don't see anything, but that will trip up the scanner. You only need to have votes declared invalid. Of course, preferably just a random subset of them. You can choose for districts you don't like and distribute that paper there.