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Re:CIA Implicated in Attack on North Korean Embassy in Madrid by thepangolino on Thursday March 14, 2019 @11:40AM (#19390230)
This seems to back up the side claiming that the Deep State is out to get Trump, here by sabotaging the peace talks with North Korea.
Re:CIA Implicated in Attack on North Korean Embassy in Madrid by rrook on Thursday March 14, 2019 @11:47AM (#19390309)
What is the "deep state", exactly? I understand it to be the right's bogeyman on the left, but I've never heard it taken seriously outside of more...esoteric discussions.
Re:CIA Implicated in Attack on North Korean Embassy in Madrid by pjc50 on Thursday March 14, 2019 @11:56AM (#19390401)
The security services and foreign services pursuing their own agenda, over and above (or even in contradiction to) the elected government's directions and supervision.

It's rather odd framing this as a right vs. left discussion when traditionally it's been the other way round. FBI harassment of MLK, or COINTELPRO, are traditional examples of the deep state against the left. The left could write a very long charge sheet against the CIA.

Of course, this is consistent with the argument that the people complaining about the deep state on the right aren't "organic" but instead funded by a foreign intelligence service.

Re:CIA Implicated in Attack on North Korean Embassy in Madrid by rrook on Thursday March 14, 2019 @12:23PM (#19390722)
I didn't really mean to frame it as right vs left; that's just the context that I've seen the topic discussed in. I was hoping to be as neutral as possible with my query.
Re:CIA Implicated in Attack on North Korean Embassy in Madrid by blancheneige on Thursday March 14, 2019 @12:00PM (#19390455)
well here are two examples with actual definitions to get you started. hopefully the guardian isn't too esoteric for you!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jul/17/iraq.usa

>The ideologically driven network functioned like a shadow government, much of it off the official payroll and beyond congressional oversight. But it proved powerful enough to prevail in a struggle with the State Department and the CIA by establishing a justification for war.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/22/leaks-...

>America doesn’t have coups or tanks in the street. But a deep state of sorts exists here and it includes national security bureaucrats who use secretly collected information to shape or curb the actions of elected officials.

Re:CIA Implicated in Attack on North Korean Embassy in Madrid by duxup on Thursday March 14, 2019 @12:12PM (#19390588)
Budgetary messes and administrative Independence gets out of hand... partly because congress doesn't bother to provide real oversight.

But the whole "deep state" term seems to imply a great deal more. We have people here claiming the CIA is doing this to undermine the president. That's not at all backed up or necessary follows bureaucracy operating on its own.

Re:CIA Implicated in Attack on North Korean Embassy in Madrid by blancheneige on Thursday March 14, 2019 @12:32PM (#19390825)
Those are nice euphemisms but giving these articles a critical read, particularly in light of the implications of the first one might do us more good than engaging in systematic and apologetic damage control
Re:CIA Implicated in Attack on North Korean Embassy in Madrid by duxup on Thursday March 14, 2019 @01:01PM (#19391143)
>engaging in systematic and apologetic damage control

I don't know what you mean by that.

Re:CIA Implicated in Attack on North Korean Embassy in Madrid by OrgNet on Thursday March 14, 2019 @11:42AM (#19390244)
The deep state should get no black budget.. this is getting out of hand... https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/national/black...