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Re:Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop by paulmd on Wednesday March 13, 2019 @04:11PM (#19383224)
No, they're supposed to serve generic, non-tracking ads. Non-targeted, or whatever the terminology is.

It's hilarious how everyone has just forgotten that used to be a thing. The people on this website are literally the problem, you can't even conceive of a website that doesn't track every click you make across the whole internet, and you guys are the people building the new web.

Re:Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop by repolfx on Thursday March 14, 2019 @07:05AM (#19388116)
It has never been a thing, that's why. Adverts have been targeted for decades before the internet existed at all.

Do you think TV adverts are placed randomly? They aren't. Different times of day have different value to different advertisers. TV ads are targeted based on detailed knowledge of audience demographics.

Do you think billboard ads are placed randomly? They aren't. Their placement is optimised based on the beliefs of the ad firms about who will drive past them or see them.

Do you think internet ads were placed randomly before AdSense? No, they were targeted by rough demographic guessed from the sites content just like TV and billboard ads were.

All that's changed on the internet is that targeted has got more precise and more sophisticated. But there's no bright line separating "generic" from "targeted" ads, like you imagine. And the better targeting is hardly an optional feature like the DPAs seem to imagine. It increases revenues which enables firms to provide new content and new features. Roll back the web to 1990s era ad techniques and now all the ads on generic sites like news or search with no clearly defined audience will be barrel-scraping "punch the monkey" animations, for those of us who remember that stuff.

Re:Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop by wolco on Wednesday March 13, 2019 @05:20PM (#19383942)
I have my own ad that I made for a client. No third party is offering these kinda of ads because of fraud.
Re:Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop by kristianp on Thursday March 14, 2019 @01:13AM (#19386673)
Is that really true?
Re:Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop by johnchristopher on Wednesday March 13, 2019 @04:36PM (#19383462)
I think it has more to do with an anti-authoritarianism attitude than anything else.
Re:Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop by deanalevitt on Wednesday March 13, 2019 @04:12PM (#19383243)
Which is what DuckDuckGo does, I think.
Re:Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop by bsanr on Wednesday March 13, 2019 @07:43PM (#19385138)
Data addiction. Just say no.
Re:Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop by woah on Wednesday March 13, 2019 @04:45PM (#19383555)
It’s not possible to do a lot of normal web stuff without session cookies.
Re:Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop by kerng on Wednesday March 13, 2019 @04:50PM (#19383606)
The concepts of a session cookie is different then a cookie used for advertisemnet that tracks you across the internet. The problem is tracking and ads, not authentication and authorization for functional purposes. Cookies are just one way to track people and serve ads, there are many others.

Facebook is a great example on keeping diluting these concepts. They ask for your information for function security purposes and then go back and use that same data for ads - that is unethical and has to stop.

Re:Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop by darpa_escapee on Wednesday March 13, 2019 @05:24PM (#19384004)
Which is irrelevant, because session cookies don't need a warning. There is no reason to equivocate session cookies with tracking cookies.
Re:Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop by wsy on Wednesday March 13, 2019 @05:57PM (#19384302)
Cookies are allowed, tracking users without consent is now illegal in EU (regardless which technology is used).
Re:Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop by paulmd on Wednesday March 13, 2019 @06:23PM (#19384534)
The GDPR doesn't regard cookies that serve a bona-fide business purpose. You are free to use cookies to provide a shopping cart, or allow users to log in to an account at your store, or whatever. It's specifically tracking and advertising that is forbidden.

If the user is not getting something out of it (besides the generic "access to my website") then presumptively don't do it. GDPR is literally as easy as that.

GDPR understands full well that you need session cookies to provide a shopping cart or user account. That's why there's specific exemptions for it.

Re:Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop by darkarmani on Wednesday March 13, 2019 @04:53PM (#19383640)
Define "a lot of normal web stuff". How did we ever do normal web stuff before session cookies?
Re:Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop by cortesoft on Wednesday March 13, 2019 @05:10PM (#19383823)
I mean, we have had session cookies since the first version of netscape. Almost everything we think of as 'normal web stuff' is post cookies.
Re:Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop by wolco on Wednesday March 13, 2019 @05:23PM (#19383990)
We telnetted into places.
Re:Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop by taneq on Wednesday March 13, 2019 @09:04PM (#19385606)
Session cookie in the URL?
Re:Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop by bigbadgoose on Wednesday March 13, 2019 @05:06PM (#19383782)
I think they would start another fire, and get another blanket
Re:Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop by paxys on Wednesday March 13, 2019 @06:19PM (#19384503)
We didn't
Re:Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop by sonnyblarney on Wednesday March 13, 2019 @04:52PM (#19383629)
"It's hilarious how everyone has just forgotten that used to be a thing"

Ads were always a thing, they're just going to be better targeted with more info.

There is no free lunch, so what this means is the 'no cookie' users may be exposed to more ads.

I understand the market dynamics are not working very well, but we have to remember that information provided is not free either.

Re:Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop by tuco86 on Wednesday March 13, 2019 @05:18PM (#19383927)
you will get as many ads as the typical user is able to bare no matter what.
Re:Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop by sonnyblarney on Wednesday March 13, 2019 @09:24PM (#19385719)
The underlying economics are unavoidable.

Companies are not trying to 'do inherent evil' - they just want to show relevant ads. And by the way, consumers definitely appreciate the relevance.

There is another side to the equation, and there are economic consequences to all of this that will come home to root.

Personally, I loathe Facebook and don't use it for personal reasons, but I have a small business and it's the only advertising mechanism that works for us: we have a neat little product for a niche category.

There are entire economies that can only exist with the ability to effectively get the word out, there is tremendous social good in this.

We just have to figure out a way to do it that fits within reasonable privacy guidelines.