Re:Brexit: MPs reject Theresa May's deal by 149 votes
by dragonwriter on Tuesday March 12, 2019 @04:21PM
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No, what should have happened is a second plebiscite confirming the actual deal negotiated with the EU, with:
(1) Accept deal and exit,
(2) Exit with no deal,
(3) Rescind Article 50
As the options.
Or, the government should just not have used a non-binding referendum on such a complex policy matter as an electoral ploy in the first place and actually governed as elected to do rather than passing the buck.
Re:Brexit: MPs reject Theresa May's deal by 149 votes
by nicoburns on Tuesday March 12, 2019 @04:38PM
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It occurs to me that this is exactly the question that should be offered. And people should be able to express ranked preferences with the winner needing to get over 50% to avoid the issue around vote splitting.
Re:Brexit: MPs reject Theresa May's deal by 149 votes
by dragonwriter on Tuesday March 12, 2019 @04:40PM
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I assume you mean something like IRV (single winner STV) with a winning threshold over 50%, not over 50% on first place preference.
Re:Brexit: MPs reject Theresa May's deal by 149 votes
by nicoburns on Tuesday March 12, 2019 @06:07PM
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Yes, this.
Re:Brexit: MPs reject Theresa May's deal by 149 votes
by kristopolous on Tuesday March 12, 2019 @04:28PM
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Sure, that works too. Anything that resolves the unspecific versus specific problem without introducing further problems suffices.
. [ ] Remain a member of the European Union
. [ ] Leave the European Union
Do you see the huge honking flashing design flaw here?
No? Let's rephrase this with a little substitution:
. [ ] Continue the known reality
. [ ] Do something else (to be determined later)
There's the problem. The second was a catch-all that cast a huge net encompassing all imagined alternatives. Everything that isn't what is currently now, that's option 2.
That's what won, because it's every imagined alternative tossed in a huge pile. Your Own Personal Favorite Idea is option 2! Hooray!
The problem is that when that has to become concrete it turns out that staying in the EU outweighs any one particular instance of the "leave the EU" reality ... and one of them has to be executed on.
WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED
The plebiscite should have had detailed, specific scenarios and been structured as follows:
. [ ] Remain in the EU
. [ ] Option 1 (addendum 1)
. [ ] Option 2 (addendum 2)
. [ ] ...
. [ ] Option N (addendum n)
Why? Because that's what would actually be happening, the actual reality that has to be contended with, not just some undefined fantasy.
BUT THIS FAVORS STAYING, ALWAYS
No. Not necessarily. If the Brexiters could offer a real-world, concrete, provable, air-tight demonstrably better alternative instead of amorphous good-feelings then they can persuade the public with this imagined reality instead of relying on a reality imagined.
What shouldn't have been allowed, and why this is a total mess, is an option of amorphous make-believe. Make-believe will always win.