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Re:Open Distro for Elasticsearch by abtinf on Monday March 11, 2019 @09:07PM (#19364473)
> [Elastic] started developing new features under a proprietary license

> Elastic is the rare company that truly is committed to open source

On their face, those two statements seem mutually exclusive. What context am I missing that would make them not so?

Re:Open Distro for Elasticsearch by dragonwriter on Monday March 11, 2019 @11:26PM (#19365142)
Elastic, it seems to me, is the not-at-all rare company who is truly committed to using “open source” as a marketing gimmick and tool to recruit free labor, and like most such companies resents being reduced to itself playing the role it envisions for FOSS community members by a bigger fish.
Re:Open Distro for Elasticsearch by speedplane on Tuesday March 12, 2019 @12:56AM (#19365521)
> Elastic, it seems to me, is the not-at-all rare company who is truly committed to using “open source” as a marketing gimmick

Don't think it was that nefarious. More likely that the original developers were committed to open source, and then took lots of venture capital money to keep coding and making cool things. Now those VCs want a return on their investment, and effectively have control over the product.

Re:Open Distro for Elasticsearch by halbritt on Monday March 11, 2019 @11:48PM (#19365266)
Not so much for free labor but to drive adoption. Lots of people use ES for free. When that use starts to scale, most folks end up needing to pay ES for enterprise critical features or support.

It’s a strategy that isn’t working out for a bunch of companies.

Re:Open Distro for Elasticsearch by csdreamer7 on Monday March 11, 2019 @09:41PM (#19364616)
Agreed. The parent's comment's last line contradicts most of the argument.

Releasing it for 'free' is the not the same as an equitable Open Source license.

Re:Open Distro for Elasticsearch by anth_anm on Monday March 11, 2019 @11:01PM (#19364998)
It's open source meets the real world. We aren't all hippies who can sit around at MIT.
Re:Open Distro for Elasticsearch by dragonwriter on Monday March 11, 2019 @11:32PM (#19365180)
> It's open source meets the real world

It's nothing like open source; it's proprietary software that attempts to leverage the goodwill of the “open source” label without adhering to what that label means.

> We aren't all hippies who can sit around at MIT.

Look, if open source doesn't work for your business situation, that's fine, just don't lie about being committed to open source where you are truly only committed to your own profits, all while making disparaging portrayals of the people who actually are committed to open source.

Re:Open Distro for Elasticsearch by weberc2 on Monday March 11, 2019 @09:38PM (#19364603)
As I understand it, they've released all of their code for a long time under an open source license and continue to release their source code and allow non-competitors to use it for free. All contributions from the community are also available under open source licenses? (this is my understanding, anyway)

In your mind, how should a "committed to open source" company respond to an existential threat (not only to the business, but to the project given the business is the primary sponsor of the project)? Are there better open source licenses that allow them to meet the same ends? Or should they just cease to exist, lay off their staff, and abandon the project out of a Stallmanic dream of open source?

Re:Open Distro for Elasticsearch by didibus on Monday March 11, 2019 @11:52PM (#19365284)
I think they could go with a copyleft license. Or they should just announce that they are no longer committed to open source.
Re:Open Distro for Elasticsearch by weberc2 on Tuesday March 12, 2019 @03:32PM (#19372042)
> Or they should just announce that they are no longer committed to open source.

Why? Because < 100% of their code is open source? This seems infeasibly idealistic, and a false dichotomy. You can be a proprietary software company that is still very committed to open source. Anyway, if < 100% is the standard, surely Amazon is worse yet, no?

Re:Open Distro for Elasticsearch by PeakShot on Monday March 11, 2019 @09:33PM (#19364594)
> seem mutually exclusive Open source doesn't necessarily mean free to use. You can view entire elastic search code on github, nothing is hidden from the users. This way of licensing might be the only way an open source company can be truly profitable.
Re:Open Distro for Elasticsearch by weberc2 on Monday March 11, 2019 @09:39PM (#19364611)
They still make it available to most everyone free to use, as I understand it. They just don't want to do the legwork for their competitors.