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Re:Code hidden in Stone Age art may be the root of human wri... by hyperpallium on Monday March 11, 2019 @12:41AM (#19356722)
Parent is arguing that they need to witness language use between members of their own species, and then not learn, in order to show they are incapable of language use.

The first human language user managed without this. (Though, if used for communication, it takes two... so there couldn't have been a first. OTOH there's an argument that language is primarily for thought, not communication, so it only takes one person. Secondly, evolution doesn't usually build a complete perfect system, but iterates, gradually improving. A puzzle here is that abstraction seems to be all or nothing, you can't have part abstraction. One resolution is that the necessary neuro-machinary was built up for other purposes, and abstraction emerged when some crucial capstone happened to be put into place. Or... maybe you can have some kind of "partial" abstraction...?)

Re:Code hidden in Stone Age art may be the root of human wri... by jacobush on Monday March 11, 2019 @06:11AM (#19357817)
I think you could have partial abstraction. People move around physical objects which represent other things, all the time.
Re:Code hidden in Stone Age art may be the root of human wri... by hyperpallium on Wednesday March 13, 2019 @09:12PM (#19385651)
Maybe representation is more important than grammar? e.g. representational art

The bee-dance "represents" direction and distance, but only that.