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Re:A Gazillion-Dollar Standoff over Two High-Frequency Tradi... by consz on Sunday March 10, 2019 @06:11PM (#19354941)
Light signals in an optic fiber bounce off the walls (repeatedly, frequently) of the cable they're in -- the actual physical path the light is taking in this case is approx. 1.5x the path of the cable itself.
Re:A Gazillion-Dollar Standoff over Two High-Frequency Tradi... by hyeonwho4 on Sunday March 10, 2019 @06:30PM (#19355077)
That's not true. The typical total reflection angle in single mode fiber optic cable is less than 4 degrees. The refractice index of glass, however, is about 1.45. So almost all the slowdown is due to the glass directly slowing down the signal.
Re:A Gazillion-Dollar Standoff over Two High-Frequency Tradi... by madengr on Sunday March 10, 2019 @07:10PM (#19355339)
Though you can still get a group delay (slower than free space) in vacuum filled RF waveguide. When you break down the single mode, it appears to be zig-zagging through the waveguide (bouncing off the walls), and slows down as cutoff is approached. Like in fiber, the modal dispersion is separate from the material dispersion.

AT&T was going to build out a cross country, single mode, circular waveguide network in the 60’s, but was obsoleted due to fiber. Maybe that’s what the HFT ought to due, or maybe air-line coax.

Re:A Gazillion-Dollar Standoff over Two High-Frequency Tradi... by kazinator on Sunday March 10, 2019 @06:21PM (#19355021)
I think the distance is less of an issue than the temporal smear that the bouncing causes. A clean square pulse turns into a blob.
Re:A Gazillion-Dollar Standoff over Two High-Frequency Tradi... by hyeonwho4 on Sunday March 10, 2019 @06:34PM (#19355104)
Temporal smear is caused by the varying refeactive index of glass with wavelength and the fact that a short time pulse must have finite (large) spectral width (by the uncertainty principle), not by the bouncing.
Re:A Gazillion-Dollar Standoff over Two High-Frequency Tradi... by kazinator on Sunday March 10, 2019 @06:46PM (#19355206)
So, the different path lengths implied by internal reflections don't contribute anything to the smear?

By the way, the uncertainty principle doesn't say we can't have a narrow pulse. Frequency versus time can be used as an analogy to help explain the uncertainty principle. If we know a precise frequency, the signal is poorly localized in the time domain. If a signal is narrowly localized in the time domain, it is poorly localized in the frequency domain. The uncertainty principle is something else, though: it revolves around not being able to make certain related measurements simultaneously, at the quantum level. We can be quite certain about the frequency content of a transient pulse and its exact temporal shape, if it's not something from the quantum domain.