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Re:Ethiopian Airlines plane crash: No survivors among 157 on... by CydeWeys on Sunday March 10, 2019 @09:58AM (#19352003)
And most crucially, this system can't be overridden using stick inputs whereas previous systems on the 737 were. And this change amongst others was kept relatively hidden by Boeing as a cost-savings measure, so that a 737 pilot can fly a new MAX without needing a new certification.
Re:Ethiopian Airlines plane crash: No survivors among 157 on... by xvf22 on Sunday March 10, 2019 @11:03AM (#19352239)
The trouble is certification has been largely outsourced to the manufacturers. [0]

[0] https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/faa-faulted-for-ou...

Re:Ethiopian Airlines plane crash: No survivors among 157 on... by JauntyHatAngle on Sunday March 10, 2019 @08:00PM (#19355599)
I'm sure self-signed certificates go down a treat here on hackernews.
Re:Ethiopian Airlines plane crash: No survivors among 157 on... by leesalminen on Sunday March 10, 2019 @10:43AM (#19352174)
Is this true? Terrifying that a pilot can’t override the computer.
Re:Ethiopian Airlines plane crash: No survivors among 157 on... by wereHamster on Sunday March 10, 2019 @11:03AM (#19352237)
Wait until you learn about how the fly-by-wire system on Airbus works ;)
Re:Ethiopian Airlines plane crash: No survivors among 157 on... by king_magic on Sunday March 10, 2019 @11:14AM (#19352273)
But A319/320/321s aren’t dropping out of the sky at an astonishing rate.

It may be the case that Airbus is simply better at building automation into the fabric of their aircraft from the ground up than Boeing.

Re:Ethiopian Airlines plane crash: No survivors among 157 on... by ahartmetz on Sunday March 10, 2019 @12:21PM (#19352597)
That is probably true. Airbus pilots know and expect the computer to have the last word. Pilots of all planes are expected to know how to engage alternate law (more direct control) or disable specific parts of automation when necessary. I was going to say they are not doing too well at that, but then you only hear about it when they failed. In the same vein you don't hear much about automation saving lives.

I have a friend who is a commercial pilot and who doesn't like Airbus planes because he doesn't want to be overruled by a computer... Accident statistics are a wash between Boeing and Airbus, though.

Re:Ethiopian Airlines plane crash: No survivors among 157 on... by olivil on Sunday March 10, 2019 @11:32AM (#19352365)
Or that pilots in general do not know how to fly anymore. /s
Re:Ethiopian Airlines plane crash: No survivors among 157 on... by petilon on Sunday March 10, 2019 @11:09AM (#19352253)
It is possible override it, but pilots weren't trained on how.

https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/us-pilots-want-more...

Re:Ethiopian Airlines plane crash: No survivors among 157 on... by leesalminen on Sunday March 10, 2019 @11:13AM (#19352271)
I sure hope this additional training was provided after the Lion Air crash.
Re:Ethiopian Airlines plane crash: No survivors among 157 on... by cjbprime on Sunday March 10, 2019 @11:15AM (#19352280)
It can be overridden, but not solely using the stick. You have to press a button first.