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Re:Half of Millennials say they often feel isolated even whe... by ggm on Saturday March 09, 2019 @04:22PM (#19348559)
s/Millennials/People/g -Seriously, although its perhaps stronger in young people, has this not always been a "thing" and had we a time machine, what would we find asking this of the same age cohort in times past?

Memory imparts a rosy hue: you can't ask people now about the past and expect an un-biassed answer.

Re:Half of Millennials say they often feel isolated even whe... by SyneRyder on Saturday March 09, 2019 @04:37PM (#19348654)
I think I can give an unbiased answer - I remember The Offspring wrote a song about the same thing back in 1994 (ie pre-modern-internet, pre-smartphone) called So Alone.

"Look at the crowd and tell me whether / All are surrounded / But none are together / If you're awake, look all around / At all of the people / Still you're so alone / So alone"

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-fFflDhuVuA

Re:Half of Millennials say they often feel isolated even whe... by lapnitnelav on Saturday March 09, 2019 @05:10PM (#19348830)
Could it be that this general truth about the difficulty of maintaining close bonds as we grow older clashes with the myth of social media -which is to be more connected to people that matter to you?

I think the superficiality of such tools is becoming more and more apparent. It has become so effortless participate in the social game (for a lack of a better word) such as wishing an happy birthday or some words of support for grieving folks that it's getting hard to gauge whether people do actually care about you. It's about the work you put in.

Personal anecdote: Had to hire a guy with a van on a public holiday as I was moving to a different part of the city (Dublin). Asked my fellow French friends for help and sure enough we were loading the van at 11 am. The driver admitted that he wouldn't have had as much help if he had asked his own -Irish- friends because they'd be too hangover to bother.

I found that quite sad, especially given that all my friends are not lifelong friends, we've know each other for 5 years or less.

Re:Half of Millennials say they often feel isolated even whe... by nopriorarrests on Saturday March 09, 2019 @06:21PM (#19349192)
>we were loading the van at 11 am.

>he wouldn't have had as much help if he had asked his own -Irish- friends because they'd be too hangover to bother.

6pm might work with irish folks, though.

I mean, I love my friends but moving their furniture at, say, 9am on Saturday is just... not gonna work.

Re:Half of Millennials say they often feel isolated even whe... by lapnitnelav on Saturday March 09, 2019 @06:53PM (#19349320)
Nah, at 6 they're back on the piss ;)

We probably got started with the van later than 11 actually, they were around from 11 to help get stuff out of the flat. But my point still stands.

Re:Half of Millennials say they often feel isolated even whe... by pmichaud on Saturday March 09, 2019 @05:42PM (#19349002)
I wish I had more time to write about this, because it's an important topic to me, but I think this actually has shifted over time. I believe it's not a smart phone / social media thing per se, it's a modernity thing, and that if you go back into premodern times, you'll find it was significantly different, and that loneliness was pretty rare.

The part I don't have time to write here is why I think that's true, but I'll say in a too-brief summary: the same tools that allow us to organize ourselves en masse into nations and industries, also necessarily create divisions and isolation that just didn't exist in most of human pre-history, which involved close-knit family and tribal units existing and interacting together and doing meaningful work together throughout their entire lives.