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Re:CERN cuts ties with 'sexist' scientist Alessandro Strumia by nabla9 on Saturday March 09, 2019 @09:40AM (#19346302)
You can't start neutral discussion with weak evidence, strong conclusion and open hostility. Strumia could have just presented his findings neutrally, without already made up his mind and having a clearly visible agenda and hostility.

There is a pattern that is repeating:

1. Scientist has a political opinion on difficult politically volatile issue that is outside his field.

2. Scientist finds some supporting evidence.

3. Scientist comes out with agenda, evidence and overly confident conclusion.

4. Backlash

5. Scientist claims that he is discriminated. He thinks that just because he had some hard data, his presentation was just cold neutral science.

6. Others find easily some evidence that explains his theories away (Women leaving the field in disproportionately higher rates in this case).

Re:CERN cuts ties with 'sexist' scientist Alessandro Strumia by tptacek on Saturday March 09, 2019 @02:09PM (#19347840)
There are really strong parallels between this and the Ted Hill NYJM fiasco. And, like the physicists in this story, professional mathematicians pointed out that Hill's paper was wildly inappropriate for the venue. Both Hill and Strumia tried to launder their institutional credibility into authority to make political arguments. Arguably, Hill was more successful, even if his stunt was more egregious.
Re:CERN cuts ties with 'sexist' scientist Alessandro Strumia by MAXPOOL on Saturday March 09, 2019 @06:34PM (#19349253)
In the 19th century William Whewell developed concept of "Consilience of Inductions". Evidence from independent, unrelated sources can "converge" on strong conclusions. We should feel more confident about our conclusions when we have lots of lines of evidence that stand alone independently, preferably collected by different people, in different parts of the globe or at least different universities. Maybe they don’t even like each other.

Many contrarian views grow long time in small small minded groups or even withing one individual. They have high internal consistency and logic. When exposed to outsiders, they usually spot some obvious errors immediately.

Re:CERN cuts ties with 'sexist' scientist Alessandro Strumia by cm2187 on Saturday March 09, 2019 @06:47PM (#19349298)
Yes and no. As others pointed, Larry Summers wasn't provocative and suffered a similar backlash. And when you have a strong political pressure on a topic, it is logical that the only people who will speak up will tend to be the more provocative, anti-establishment outliers.
Re:CERN cuts ties with 'sexist' scientist Alessandro Strumia by nabla9 on Saturday March 09, 2019 @07:39PM (#19349495)
Are they really similar?

Did Larry Summers receive backlash, consequences and pressure from academia (his peers) like Strumia or just from from social media and public.

Public backlash is to be expected in the time of moral panic.

Re:CERN cuts ties with 'sexist' scientist Alessandro Strumia by mikekchar on Saturday March 09, 2019 @08:50PM (#19349714)
A long time ago I saw a presentation that started with the premise that 60% of everybody is crap at their job. Doctors, lawyers, airline pilots, and even scientists. Of course that's just a number pulled out of the air, but the idea was that even if a person studies something for a long time and even if they pass some standardised tests, they can still be bad at their job.

I've met completely incompetent programmers who had advanced degrees and tons of experience (not 60% of the field, mind you, but enough to realise it does happen). The field of science is not immune to this. I remember my brother telling me a frightening story of going to a first year science lecture and the professor saying that correlation implies causation. He put up his hand and said, "You mean does not imply causation, don't you?" The professor said that, no, if it's correlated it means that one caused the other. How can you get a PhD in science and also manage to land a job at a university (reasonably well respected at that) and be so confused at such a basic level? It happens, though.

Sometimes even very smart and capable people have huge blind spots in the way that they think. Again, I've worked with a number of programmers who were extremely talented and intelligent but were unable to program anything that didn't turn into a massive ball of spaghetti. They could barely keep it working (due to their intelligence and talent), and nobody else even had a chance. This is sucking at your job, even though you have the mental hardware and skills to do a good job. It happens -- everywhere. In all walks of life. I remember the case of the airline pilot who got sick of waiting for air traffic control to give him the OK to take off. He decided to go anyway and killed hundreds of people including himself. Apparently he was a very experienced and skilled pilot.

What you are seeing is not a pattern that involves scientists. What you are seeing is a pattern that involves people who are self-deluded and over confident. I mean we could put "Actor" in for "Scientist" in your points and it would read just as well. Yes, the field of science is not immune to this kind of problem.

I think the main thing is that if an actor says something stupid we think, "Oh they are just an actor". If a scientist says something stupid, we tend to think that maybe they should be doing better. A scientist's job is to think critically, build models and test them objectively against the data. When a scientist seems incapable of doing this basic task, maybe we need to wonder if they are actually able to do their job well -- because lot's of people are crap at their jobs. Even scientists.

Re:CERN cuts ties with 'sexist' scientist Alessandro Strumia by 3rdgender on Saturday March 09, 2019 @07:24PM (#19349446)
You've described the typical gender science scandal. Except that it is usually the gender science that is disqualified.