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Re:Wrong scientific beliefs that were held for long periods by brockf on Tuesday November 23, 2010 @10:35AM (#1933985)
From the article: "I know a union that got a substantial pay raise because a politician did not understand that adding and then subtracting 20% gets you to another result from the one you started."

Wouldn't this be a pay decrease?

x * 1.2 = y

y * 0.8 < x

Re:Wrong scientific beliefs that were held for long periods by JustinSeriously on Tuesday November 23, 2010 @11:50AM (#1934321)
I've been trying to work this one through. One possible solution, (using a hefty dose of mathematical illiteracy, that looks like one of those word problems that occasionally appears in Marilyn vos Savant's column):

  base salary: $100
  $100 * 1.2 = $120
  $120 * (1.2 * .8) = $115.2
("It's a 20% pay cut from our pay raise, that's why you have to multiply our pay raise with our pay cut.")
Re:Wrong scientific beliefs that were held for long periods by zb on Tuesday November 23, 2010 @12:39PM (#1934561)
Technically he didn't say that it was the pay that was being added and subtracted. Perhaps it could have been something like, say, hours?
Re:Wrong scientific beliefs that were held for long periods by ciupicri on Tuesday November 23, 2010 @03:38PM (#1935259)
If a sum of money (S0) is increased with p percent then decreased with the same percent, the final sum (S2) will be:

   S2 = S0 * (100+p)/100 * (100-p)/100
A plot[1] of this equation will quickly show that as p increases, S2 decreases.

[1] http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28100%2Bp%29%2F100+*+%...

Re:Wrong scientific beliefs that were held for long periods by dkersten on Tuesday November 23, 2010 @10:57AM (#1934058)
True. 20% of y is larger than 20% of x (which is what was added to x to obtain y) because y is a larger number. Therefore subtracting 20% of y from y will give you some value smaller than x. Eg: 100 + 20% = 120; 120 - 20% = 96.

Not that anyone here needs an explanation :)

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Re:Wrong scientific beliefs that were held for long periods by drbaskin on Tuesday November 23, 2010 @11:31AM (#1934209)
I don't whether the error you introduced is intentional or not, but 120 * 0.8 = 96, not 106.

Another way of thinking about this is that 1.2 * 0.8 = 0.96, so it is a four percent pay cut. (This is true for any situation like this and can be remembered by the difference of two squares formula from your early algebra class -- (1 + r)(1-r) = 1 - r^2, where r is the fraction raise/pay cut.)

Re:Wrong scientific beliefs that were held for long periods by nano81 on Tuesday November 23, 2010 @11:32AM (#1934214)
120 * 0.8 = 96, not 106
Re:Wrong scientific beliefs that were held for long periods by rue on Wednesday November 24, 2010 @12:10PM (#1937887)
It would make sense if the amount in question was from a deduction from pay of some sort, tax, union fee deduction etc., rather than the pay itself.