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Re:Elizabeth Warren Proposes Breaking Up Tech Giants Like Am... by geofft on Friday March 08, 2019 @10:11AM (#19338140)
Er, what is the place in the world for them? Defense contractors should be ground to bits.
Re:Elizabeth Warren Proposes Breaking Up Tech Giants Like Am... by rayiner on Friday March 08, 2019 @10:38AM (#19338411)
This view misunderstands the nature of modern science and R&D. Interesting R&D is shockingly expensive, and you need mega-corps to do it. The cost of a new fab is $10 billion now, and it's been increasing exponentially. The 747 cost $7.5 billion in inflation-adjusted dollars to develop. The 787 cost almost $30 billion. The future of science and technology is not Edison inventing the lightbulb in his private lab. It's mega-corps doing mega-R&D.

This used to be less true in CS, but that's changing due to machine learning. Google has a huge leg-up in self-driving-car R&D because of the enormous amount of data it has from Google services. In "hard" R&D, even "startups" are spending the kind of capital that previously used to only be in the province of established conglomerates.

Re:Elizabeth Warren Proposes Breaking Up Tech Giants Like Am... by geofft on Friday March 08, 2019 @10:47AM (#19338509)
I agree you need significant amounts of resources / capital to do it. I disagree you need megacorps to do it. It's inefficient for the means of production to be held by a private company looking out for its own interests and wealth and not the good of society: even if you want the military to be more capable, the military-industrial complex is a bad way to do it. And the argument that startups need to spend money on their own fabs is an argument these shouldn't be in private, competitive hands.
Re:Elizabeth Warren Proposes Breaking Up Tech Giants Like Am... by rayiner on Friday March 08, 2019 @10:54AM (#19338608)
At least the U.S. government does an absolutely terrible job with the capital-intensive infrastructure it touches. Having it be in charge of something like a nuclear reactor or a chip fab would end technological progress.
Re:Elizabeth Warren Proposes Breaking Up Tech Giants Like Am... by throwawaymath on Friday March 08, 2019 @10:26AM (#19338310)
Well, the device I'm typing this on was sold by a massive, vertically integrated technology company. So I guess that's one helpful usecase.