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Re:The Stigma of Choosing Trade School over College by Retric on Thursday March 07, 2019 @08:03PM (#19334252)
I don’t know about your school, but most of the useful classes generally occur later on. So, dropping out after a year means you missed out on the most useful parts.

It might seem wasteful, but gateway classes are what allow upper level courses to assume basic competency and move much faster. I had a computer architecture class where one assignment was to write a fairly simple program in x86 ASM and the handholding was a recommended book to get you started.

That said, a lot of collages had real issues teaching computers in the 90’s. Competent staff was hard to retain and enrollment was skyrocketing. So many schools tried to shuffle students into other departments.

Re:The Stigma of Choosing Trade School over College by kbenson on Thursday March 07, 2019 @09:46PM (#19334686)
> Competent staff was hard to retain and enrollment was skyrocketing.

And, from my experience being part of that skyrocketing enrollment, quite a lot of them wanted to learn to "make stuff" and were complaining well into their third and fourth years that they weren't learning how to "do anything" in their computer science classes, since it was mostly theory.

The thing is, they were teaching theory because that's the harder stuff to pick up on your own. Want to learn a specific language? Just do it. It's not that hard, and there are online resources and plenty of books. Want to learn how to make some particular thing? harder, but also mostly doable from self study. But what would spur someone to learn theory of computation topics, or how to do algorithm complexity and runtime assessment? That's the sort of stuff that really benefits from a knowledgeable instructor, and only a small percentage of self-taught people will likely stumble into learning. Computer science is a science, and that's what they teach in school. It also makes you a better programmer, but it pays off in small ways over many years through more intricate knowledge, instead of front-loading all the gains into making you passable right now. That the better solution for some people, but not all.

Re:The Stigma of Choosing Trade School over College by sanderjd on Thursday March 07, 2019 @11:13PM (#19335015)
> Want to learn a specific language? Just do it. It's not that hard, and there are online resources and plenty of books.

This is why I always find myself skeptical of boot camp type programs. So many of them seem focused on specific tools: node plus react! rails plus angular! etc. On the other hand getting a top down view of things is also useful. But I think this is what I enjoyed about my college program; there was time for both. Bottom up theory can seem pointless and unmotivated, and top down practicum can be hard to extend and generalize. The combination is powerful.

Re:The Stigma of Choosing Trade School over College by TrinaryWorksToo on Thursday March 07, 2019 @10:16PM (#19334813)
I have been able to stumble into it by tracing down jargon and reading textbooks.
Re:The Stigma of Choosing Trade School over College by User23 on Friday March 08, 2019 @01:13AM (#19335506)
Parent evidently came from a college preparatory school. Since most high schools don’t actually prepare students for college, freshman and sometimes sophomore year are remedial education for those unfortunates. Anyone who attended a prep school is going to be bored out of their skull by that crap. As far as I can tell the solution is to allow opting out of the remedial classes, but they are a profit center so good luck. APs help a bit, but not nearly enough.
Re:The Stigma of Choosing Trade School over College by Retric on Saturday March 09, 2019 @09:21AM (#19346206)
That’s what AP classes are for in the US. Well prepared students end up skipping most of their first year classes. Though some schools are very picky https://oue.fas.harvard.edu/apexams
Re:The Stigma of Choosing Trade School over College by TrinaryWorksToo on Thursday March 07, 2019 @10:15PM (#19334810)
How am I supposed to know that the classes will get better? Why should I spend my very valuable time in classes that don't challenge me in the way I want?
Re:The Stigma of Choosing Trade School over College by Retric on Friday March 08, 2019 @06:19PM (#19343222)
Be proactive.

You can look up the required courses for your major/minor to get a listing, then look up corse descriptions in a course catalog, and even look up the books associated with each class.

If that’s to hard talk to seniors with the major you’re considering to get an idea what’s ahead. I even sat through an upper level class in high school to see if I wanted to get an engendering or CS degree.