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Re:The service mesh era: Using Istio and Stackdriver to buil... by bogomipz on Wednesday March 06, 2019 @07:19PM (#19324421)
I would interested in anyones feedback of embracing and rolling out a service mesh/Istio in a non-GCP environment.

I apologize if this is a naive question but how come this wasn't included as part of the Kubernetes project given that it has the same Google origins?

Re:The service mesh era: Using Istio and Stackdriver to buil... by twblalock on Wednesday March 06, 2019 @10:33PM (#19325339)
The Istio project is not supposed to be tied to Kubernetes. It is supposed to be a general-purpose service mesh.

That being said, I have been looking for a while and I can't find anyone who uses it in production on a platform other than Kubernetes.

Re:The service mesh era: Using Istio and Stackdriver to buil... by barbecue_sauce on Thursday March 07, 2019 @02:31AM (#19326211)
Also worth noting that Istio is not part of the CNCF while Linkerd is.
Re:The service mesh era: Using Istio and Stackdriver to buil... by lcalcote on Thursday March 07, 2019 @02:48AM (#19326280)
It is a good note to make. How does this bear weight on the question above?
Re:The service mesh era: Using Istio and Stackdriver to buil... by barbecue_sauce on Thursday March 07, 2019 @12:12PM (#19329801)
He was asking why Istio was not included as part of Kubernetes itself despite both projects originating at Google. I was implying that there must be some reason as Istio is not in the CNCF while Linkerd (arguably an Istio competitor) and Kubernetes are. To further that idea, it seems that Google wants to maintain direct control over Istio itself, rather than put it into an organization with multiple sources of institutional governance (Amazon, Huawei, Samsung, Microsoft, Oracle, etc.). If Istio or any other service mesh had been incorporated directly into Kubernetes by Google, they would have lost some control over it.

(There are also obvious technical reasons for decoupling something like this from Kubernetes, mostly the opinionated nature of forcing a service mesh over other potential solutions).

Re:The service mesh era: Using Istio and Stackdriver to buil... by pm90 on Thursday March 07, 2019 @09:45AM (#19328385)
So kubernetes seems to be one of Googles biggest efforts at really building a healthy open source project for Borg v2. Perhaps they wanted it to be mostly community driven? It’s for this reason that they collaborated with others to introduce ISTIO so the community doesn’t feel like Google is taking over or whatever fears a lot of OSS folks have of the company.
Re:The service mesh era: Using Istio and Stackdriver to buil... by jcims on Wednesday March 06, 2019 @09:47PM (#19325193)
Google's a big place.