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Re:Dow Jones’ watchlist of 2.4M high-risk clients has leaked by GFischer on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @02:38PM (#19266251)
Yet another sensitive database with probably no way to know if you're in it - GDPR sounds like a pain but I'm coming around to believing it's a necessary evil to stop this nonsense.

OTOH I guess this is relevant information and so they should be allowed to have it under GDPR rules? I'm obviously not a lawyer although my work, like most programmers' is affected by GDPR, PCI and whatnot.

Re:Dow Jones’ watchlist of 2.4M high-risk clients has leaked by astura on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @06:04PM (#19267704)
... it's a compilation of public records... Hard to get too excited about public information being made public.

>The data is all collected from public sources, such as news articles and government filings.

Re:Dow Jones’ watchlist of 2.4M high-risk clients has leaked by adolph on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @06:26PM (#19267845)
Isn't that a bit like saying Facebook is just a collection of forwards from Granny? The compilation of raw materials into a coherent whole has a larger value than the existence of the raw materials.
Re:Dow Jones’ watchlist of 2.4M high-risk clients has leaked by astura on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @06:32PM (#19267877)
So?

It's exactly the same as Wikipedia; yet nobody calls Wikipedia a "sensitive database."

I mean "So?" from a privacy standpoint, from a business standpoint it's an issue for Dow Jones.

Re:Dow Jones’ watchlist of 2.4M high-risk clients has leaked by zepto on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @06:52PM (#19267968)
Wikipedia is a sensitive database.

Mostly the sensitivity is in controlling write access rather than read though.

Re:Dow Jones’ watchlist of 2.4M high-risk clients has leaked by astura on Thursday February 28, 2019 @12:44PM (#19273255)
This database is the equivalent of a collection of terrorists' Wikipedia page. That's not a "sensitive database."
Re:Dow Jones’ watchlist of 2.4M high-risk clients has leaked by machinecoffee on Thursday February 28, 2019 @11:35AM (#19272578)
It's not where the data came from that's interesting, it's the the fact the list exists, who's on it and that it's being used to identify people that you may not want to start a business relationship with.
Re:Dow Jones’ watchlist of 2.4M high-risk clients has leaked by dariusj18 on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @02:48PM (#19266348)
According to the article, the data was all pull together from public sources.
Re:Dow Jones’ watchlist of 2.4M high-risk clients has leaked by GFischer on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @03:20PM (#19266567)
From what I understand (as mentioned, IANAL) having the database itself is lawful, as they're compiling it to comply with a legal requirement, but under GDPR, that still wouldn't stop from having to comply with GDPR and the rights (including knowing if a subject is in the database):

http://lexindicium.com/2018/03/19/data-mining-and-gdpr-compl...

https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/refo...

Right to:

information about the processing of your personal data;

obtain access to the personal data held about you;

ask for incorrect, inaccurate or incomplete personal data to be corrected;

request that personal data be erased when it’s no longer needed or if processing it is unlawful;

object to the processing of your personal data for marketing purposes or on grounds relating to your particular situation;

request the restriction of the processing of your personal data in specific cases;

receive your personal data in a machine-readable format and send it to another controller (‘data portability’);

request that decisions based on automated processing concerning you or significantly affecting you and based on your personal data are made by natural persons, not only by computers. You also have the right in this case to express your point of view and to contest the decision.

In particular, the clauses about access to personal data and to have decisions being made by a natural person seem relevant here.

Re:Dow Jones’ watchlist of 2.4M high-risk clients has leaked by AJ007 on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @06:34PM (#19267889)
There is a very interesting clash here where the anti-money laundering and know your customer laws require pretty substantial investigation in to customers and EU laws (GDPR, right to be forgotten) which require this sort of data to be purged or publicized.
Re:Dow Jones’ watchlist of 2.4M high-risk clients has leaked by occamrazor on Thursday February 28, 2019 @03:57AM (#19270021)
GDPR explicitly addresses the right of holding and processing data for legal and regulatory compliance.
Re:Dow Jones’ watchlist of 2.4M high-risk clients has leaked by anigbrowl on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @07:03PM (#19268008)
Yes, I'd quite like to know if I show up in it or not.
Re:Dow Jones’ watchlist of 2.4M high-risk clients has leaked by Miredly on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @04:13PM (#19266986)
Or we could just start punishing companies for massive and widely damaging data leaks. AFAIK about GDPR, it wouldn't prevent this. These things keep happening because nothing bad happens to companies that let it happen.
Re:Dow Jones’ watchlist of 2.4M high-risk clients has leaked by rando444 on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @06:05PM (#19267708)
GDPR prevents this by putting rules in place that you, as the owner of the data, need to show that you're protecting it responsibly.

The threat of the gigantic fine is what gets people into compliance to prevent this from happening.

Lots, possibly even the majority of companies in Europe beefed up their IT security procedures because of this, and I wouldn't be surprised if almost everyone that sits at a keyboard in Europe didn't get called into a meeting to talk about how important it is for them to keep their customer's data private and ways to do that.

Without something like this in place, companies can just not even care about users data.. because 'oops, we did nothing to protect it' is still a valid excuse.

Re:Dow Jones’ watchlist of 2.4M high-risk clients has leaked by Mirioron on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @07:09PM (#19268033)
>Lots, possibly even the majority of companies in Europe beefed up their IT security procedures because of this

On the other hand, they also don't provide internet services to people.

Re:Dow Jones’ watchlist of 2.4M high-risk clients has leaked by pavlov on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @04:18PM (#19267028)
GDPR specifies fines up to 4% of annual global turnover or 20 million euros, whichever is greater. That seems like plenty enough bite, if it were enforced.
Re:Dow Jones’ watchlist of 2.4M high-risk clients has leaked by Scoundreller on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @05:24PM (#19267496)
Why does an unprofitable 1person tiny business get a bankrupting (identical) fine as a profitable 1000 employee firm with $500m in turnover?
Re:Dow Jones’ watchlist of 2.4M high-risk clients has leaked by munchbunny on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @05:53PM (#19267648)
It doesn't. Those numbers are upper limits. Just like with traffic tickets and other fines, the actual amount is left to judgement.
Re:Dow Jones’ watchlist of 2.4M high-risk clients has leaked by Mirioron on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @07:10PM (#19268037)
If this were true then why have upper limits at all? The only reason I can think of is to protect large corporations.
Re:Dow Jones’ watchlist of 2.4M high-risk clients has leaked by dragonwriter on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @08:24PM (#19268312)
> If this were true then why have upper limits at all?

Because while the rulemaker believes that there is a range of potentially reasonable judgments based on particular circumstances, they do not believe that range is unbounded.

> The only reason I can think of is to protect large corporations.

The fixed minimum upper limit of $20 million is actually probably to prevent (or limit the effect of) large corporations using smaller subsidiaries and fancy accounting for GDPR-risky activities, rather than the upper limit protecting large corps.

Re:Dow Jones’ watchlist of 2.4M high-risk clients has leaked by munchbunny on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @08:12PM (#19268275)
For two reasons:

1. To prevent cruel and unusual punishment.

2. To set expectations about the seriousness of the infraction in the eyes of the law.

I am not a lawyer or a legal scholar, so I'm sure there are more reasons.

Re:Dow Jones’ watchlist of 2.4M high-risk clients has leaked by dragonwriter on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @08:22PM (#19268305)
“up to” and “equal to” are not the same.

When a store says “Everything up to 50% off”, that doesn't mean everything is half price.

Re:Dow Jones’ watchlist of 2.4M high-risk clients has leaked by northwest65 on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @05:43PM (#19267594)
>up to

I think that is the catch?

Re:Dow Jones’ watchlist of 2.4M high-risk clients has leaked by dmix on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @03:24PM (#19266605)
Shouldn't we see if GDPR actually starts preventing these leaks before declaring it a success? I'd imagine it being a 'success' is a predicate on it being useful right?

Not just punishing the small percentage who get 'caught' while doing nothing to actually help the problem - ala the drug war. And for everyone who thinks it's just big evil companies who get punished, one of the first GDPR fines was $4k against an Austrian small business owner whose video surveillance around his building was deemed too broad it violated peoples privacy.

I'm not declaring GDPR a failure by any means but all policy must be judged on a long-term full-picture basis. Not simply on "good intentions" of the bill + a few high visibility wins early on, then moving on as if the world is a better place.

Re:Dow Jones’ watchlist of 2.4M high-risk clients has leaked by dsr_ on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @04:13PM (#19266987)
GDPR doesn't prevent leaks any more than anti-speeding laws prevent speeding.

GDPR tells you what you can't do and what the penalty is for being caught in violation, just like a speeding law tells you what speed you can't exceed and what the penalty is for being caught.