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Re:'Moment of reckoning': US cities burn recyclables after C... by sevensor on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @09:24AM (#19263366)
I've long maintained that plastics recycling is worse than useless -- washing all of that plastic takes loads of water, and there just aren't many uses for recycled plastic. Consider the plastics around you. How many objects are virgin plastic? How many are recycled? There's not some secret destination for recycled plastics. Clearly it's being dumped or burned, and it has been for a long time. Now we're doing it in the U.S. again, it's much harder to pretend that's not its fate.
Re:'Moment of reckoning': US cities burn recyclables after C... by sixstringtheory on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @11:11AM (#19264094)
We need more public education on the Reduce and Reuse portions of the 3 Rs that only have Recycle as a last resort. We’re getting further away from those in the name of convenience, with things like meal delivery like Blue Apron. Start small: dont use those bags for produce, bring reusable containers to eat out for bringing home leftovers, use a reusable water bottle, buy as much in bulk as you can (with reusable containers).
Re:'Moment of reckoning': US cities burn recyclables after C... by throwawaytoday5 on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @01:35PM (#19265702)
Why should the onus be on the consumer when the reality is that there are massive corporations that aren't paying the external costs they are inflicting on our environment?

Even if I never consumed another piece of plastic in my life, a single cargo truck destined to Walmart will contain more plastics effectively ruining what I can do.

It would be smarter to actually have politicians who want to regulate and fine companies these corporations that are destroying out planet than trying to blame people who aren't the real problems.

Re:'Moment of reckoning': US cities burn recyclables after C... by wang_li on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @02:48PM (#19266335)
>Why should the onus be on the consumer when the reality is that there are massive corporations that aren't paying the external costs they are inflicting on our environment?

There are zero companies that create and distribute products for the simple enjoyment of doing so. If consumers didn't buy these products in their packaging, the manufacturers would not produce them.

>people who aren't the real problems.

People are the real problem. What's more is that it's poor, stupid people who are disproportionately the problem. But it's out of fashion to criticize poor people as they are, supposedly, victims of circumstances and not to be thought as functioning humans who are capable of making choices.

Re:'Moment of reckoning': US cities burn recyclables after C... by throwawaytoday5 on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @05:03PM (#19267367)
How do I have a choice as a consumer when companies have no incentive (through force of law or massive fines) to correct their actions? I live in an area that has typical grocery stories, everything inside is covered in plastic. There's no option to buy spices and put them in my own containers, neither the grains or rice or lentils.

What am I suppose to do? Drive 100 miles to the nearest store so I can by rice that's not in several plastic bags?

Why don't our politicians put our needs first? Why are they bought out by life damaging companies like Koch Industries who instead encourage people to "reduce" or "recycle."

What a crock of shite.

If companies were forced to pay 30% of their yearly gross profits for needless plastic usage (IMO 90% of all plastic use pointless) they would change their policies.

I'm not talking about "enjoyment" I'm talking about no incentive to correct their behavior. Corporations are fucking over the Earth because are politicians are too chickenshit to tell them otherwise.

I honestly hope I die before this all these travesties come to fruition.

Re:'Moment of reckoning': US cities burn recyclables after C... by wang_li on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @05:37PM (#19267564)
Your complaint seems to be that it's not convenient for you to take responsibility for the choices you make.

It's trivial to order bulk grains and dried beans online delivered in cans, paper bags, or barrels. Regardless, if it's 100 miles to the nearest big city, that's shouldn't be a problem. Plan ahead, know how much you need, and buy six month's or a year's worth at a time.

You write as if it's a human rights violation that choices you would like to make require effort on your part. Sorry, that's not the case. Take personal responsibility for your choices. If you can't be bothered to make environmentally responsible decisions, that's on you.

Re:'Moment of reckoning': US cities burn recyclables after C... by sixstringtheory on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @02:09PM (#19265985)
Agree wholeheartedly that regulation must come into play. But ultimately people have to ask for the regulation and vote accordingly. Bit of a chicken and egg problem. I grapple with the fact that my efforts aren’t even a drop in the bucket, but raising awareness does help to get others doing the same.
Re:'Moment of reckoning': US cities burn recyclables after C... by CydeWeys on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @09:58AM (#19263593)
If the plastic is burned in a really high quality incinerator, with a great scrubber stack, it at least isn't putting out lots of pollutants, and can generate power to boot. This might be a better fate than having them end up in a landfill, though of course they are releasing CO2 when you burn them (though I don't know if that's significant at all compared to global CO2 released in manufacturing and transport).
Re:'Moment of reckoning': US cities burn recyclables after C... by AstralStorm on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @10:06AM (#19263643)
About the same CO2 impact as manufacturing them.

The problem is burning it clean. To do that you have to run a very hot furnace, near gasification temperatures.

Otherwise, you will be releasing cracked chlorine, sulphate, partial urethane chains and other hydrocarbons into air. They're invisible but noxious and sometimes stinky.

Electroscrubbers have limitations and high energy cost too.

Re:'Moment of reckoning': US cities burn recyclables after C... by wang_li on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @02:50PM (#19266362)
>This might be a better fate than having them end up in a landfill...

If you're not recycling them, why is burning them better than putting them into a landfill? Is it the fact that plastics don't biodegrade and will last in the ground for thousands of years? Isn't that good? Aren't we trying to find carbon sequestration techniques?