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Re:California keeps a secret list of criminal cops, but says... by dllthomas on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @05:41PM (#19259037)
That's still a question of defense of property, though, right? You may be able to shoot someone to stop them from stealing your car. You can't ever shoot someone because they tried to steal your car. The circumstances in which a self-defense justification extends to property presumably also differs per-state, but it's not the same question as "stand your ground".

It's maybe worth noting that "defense of others" is often also a thing.

Re:California keeps a secret list of criminal cops, but says... by magduf on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @06:32PM (#19259437)
I think some people like you here are not understanding what "carjacking" is. This isn't simple car theft; it's a violent crime where attackers frequently use weapons to force people out of their car and take it. Victims are frequently killed or injured in the process. It isn't like someone breaking into your car when you're not in it. Carjacking is a really scary crime.
Re:California keeps a secret list of criminal cops, but says... by dllthomas on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @06:56PM (#19259602)
The discussion, since about 5 posts up, has been about what is and is not a part of "stand your ground" - carjacking is only vaguely, incidentally relevant anymore.

Yes, in a carjacking, the victim likely has reason to fear for their life. At some point, that ceases to be true. Actions taken after that point (... in those circumstances where actions can be taken by the victim after that point) are what was under discussion.

(I did read Animats' "If you shot someone trying to steal your car [...]" as referring to more general auto-theft - if it was meant to refer specifically to car-jacking then amend my earlier comment to "That's still at least a question of defense of property [...]")

Re:California keeps a secret list of criminal cops, but says... by 0x8BADF00D on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @11:42PM (#19260924)
IANAL, but I think you are allowed to respond “in kind” to an assault, or attempted crime against you.

For example, if someone points a gun at you, you are legally allowed to draw your own weapon. The response was “in kind”, i.e. the same level of force. It’s different if someone pointed a gun at you, then you pointed one back at them, they ran, and you shot them in the back. In this scenario, it would be retaliation, and you could be criminally prosecuted for that.