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Re:Bill Gates: End teacher bonuses based on master's degrees... by jbooth on Saturday November 20, 2010 @07:17PM (#1925776)
Statistical forward looking models proposed by a guy who works in finance?

How could that ever go wrong :)

EDIT: More seriously, if it's already impossible to measure, I fail to see how more complicated metrics would do anything but do an even worse job of measuring. There might be exceptions to this rule in a few cases but it's generally the way things work.

Re:Bill Gates: End teacher bonuses based on master's degrees... by yummyfajitas on Saturday November 20, 2010 @09:21PM (#1926002)
The VAM metric (which is not very complicated) measures teacher performance by excluding student quality as a causative factor.

If you have low quality students, who are only expected to score at the 25% level, and you boost them up to 35%, you win. If you have high quality students expected to reach 75%, but the only achieve 65%, you lose. Do you believe it's really that hard to predict that Asian kids in 2 parent $250k/year+ households will score higher than black kids in 1 grandparent $10-20k/year households?

If you truly believe the effects of education are immeasurable, perhaps we should stop wasting money on it. We don't spend $859 billion on homeopathy for much the same reason.

Re:Bill Gates: End teacher bonuses based on master's degrees... by jbooth on Sunday November 21, 2010 @10:55AM (#1927233)
Well, I'm pretty sure they're already doing something similar to that. And you consistently hear the best teachers complaining that by teaching to the test they're doing a worse job of teaching.

Developer productivity is really hard to measure with universal statistics -- every attempt to do so has failed miserably and usually made things worse. Does that mean that nobody should spend money on development?

Re:Bill Gates: End teacher bonuses based on master's degrees... by yummyfajitas on Sunday November 21, 2010 @01:20PM (#1927507)
You should not hire developers if they have no measurable effect on your software quality/feature set/P&L.

Incidentally, measuring developers is done routinely. Every bank (except maybe Citi) has a set of procedures and guidelines for outsourced development. These procedures make the process fairly predictable and they reduce costs/dependencies.

Much like outsourced IT, teaching is repetitive grunt work. It can and should be defined and measured.

Re:Bill Gates: End teacher bonuses based on master's degrees... by jbooth on Sunday November 21, 2010 @02:04PM (#1927609)
Yeah, but the procedures are basically a whole bunch of subjective stuff added up. "Ok we're dividing this task into these subtasks, we're gonna put a deadline on each one and if you miss too many deadlines then we need to talk". That's way more fuzzy and subjective than a standardized test. You might sum up the subjective judgments in a quantitative way, but ultimately it's built on subjective assessments. Unless they're actually doing kloc or something.