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Re:Cloudflare expands its government warrant canaries by SahAssar on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @01:38PM (#19257049)
> order from a secret court or a NSL that states they are not to modify statements on their website until further notice

That's the point. The theory is that a NSL can compel you to not speak, but it can't compel you to speak. Not updating a canary is the latter, not the former.

If a canary isn't updated in the period it is expected to update it is considered "dead" or "tripped".

Re:Cloudflare expands its government warrant canaries by LinuxBender on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @03:18PM (#19257966)
Assuming they can't compel speech, this would require the canary to be updated and PGP signed daily by someone that can represent the company. Perhaps a principal officer or a board member?

Even then, unless your contract states that the canary is managed in a particular way, they can simply lie. I can put a "canary" on a site and update it daily, even if every three letter agency were logged in and watching you real time. A recent example of this was that VPN provider that stated they don't log anything. Turned out they did and someone got nailed.

Re:Cloudflare expands its government warrant canaries by SahAssar on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @04:18PM (#19258379)
A canary in itself does not offer any cryptographic proof. The entire foundation is that the government cannot legally compel speech.

The canary does not protect you against the service provider and nobody has claimed that. The theory is that it protects you against NSLs that would otherwise force the service provider to not disclose the NSL.

Sometimes a canary is attached to a public financial report or something else that it is already illegal to lie in, so that would require the government to compel you to break a separate law.

It seems like you are thinking of canaries in the engineering, cryptographic or social sense, in which case the are useless. They only have purpose in a legal sense as a literal "canary in the coalmine".

Re:Cloudflare expands its government warrant canaries by LinuxBender on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @12:16PM (#19264827)
That is basically what I am saying. Unless all of this is tied into a counter-signed contract, it is all rather meaningless. I would suggest that almost nobody has such an agreement with their end user service providers.

I am no lawyer, but I don't see a problem with putting a lie into a financial statement that is in no way related to financial data. It would just be disregarded as unrelated to financial reporting. I am also not aware of any companies doing this. I could see this causing a deeper dive into an audit however.