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Re:Algorithmic Justice Could Clear Convictions in California by Razengan on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @01:11PM (#19256798)
Lawyers and doctors are probably the best candidates for replacement by AI, and those professions will lobby the hardest against their replacement, but ultimately, I would rather be governed by transparent, open-source, AI than humans.
Re:Algorithmic Justice Could Clear Convictions in California by pnw_hazor on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @03:36PM (#19258091)
If you knew what lawyers do for a living you would probably realize that lawyers are probably one of the worst candidates for replacement by AI.

While a variety of smart or dumb machines are used today to assist lawyers, unless you are talking about Sci-Fi level AI, I can't see lawyers being replaced by AI. Okay, maybe a number of lawyers whose jobs are mostly secretarial in nature may be replaced by smarter tools, but not lawyers who counsel or advocate for clients.

It would only work in some kind of Sci-Fi dystopia where the legal system would be unrecognizable to those used to an adversarial based common law system, or the like.

Re:Algorithmic Justice Could Clear Convictions in California by NateEag on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @07:22PM (#19259766)
Speaking as one who was raised by a physician, I cower in horror at the thought of having a treatment plan designed and implemented by a neural network without human intervention.

We've seen that for a number of difficult problems, deep neural networks, given sufficient data and expert trainers, do a good job most of the time and occasionally come to mortifyingly wrong conclusions.

Run a 'sed s/mortifying/mortal/' on that previous sentence and think about it for a minute.

Re:Algorithmic Justice Could Clear Convictions in California by Razengan on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @05:18AM (#19262258)
Humans also make mistakes that are fatal for others, and we have been thinking about that for millennia.

Humans also subvert things in order to make more money.

Maybe not complete replacement, but where AI does most of the thinking, shows "This is what I found, and this is what I used, to decide this." and humans have the final approval on whether to go ahead with whatever it decided.

If someone has a disagreement, it would be submitted to the AI and make it re-evaluate everything while weighing it against the disagreement.

Re:Algorithmic Justice Could Clear Convictions in California by NateEag on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @05:46AM (#19262371)
As an assistant to a heavily-trained, expert human, I do think it would be a helpful aid in catching human error.

I would make my tiebreaker another human, though.

If the AI system showed the reasoning behind its choice, that would help a lot with assuaging my fears. I was thinking of the current state of neural networks, where there's no way to see how it drew its conclusions.

Re:Algorithmic Justice Could Clear Convictions in California by lurquer on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @01:59PM (#19257238)
You may be right about doctors. Their subject matter is repairing or maintaining, essentially, a mechanism.

Lawyers are different. Their subject matter is the interaction between human beings. A lawyer, for instance, must persuade a judge or jury or, in the transactional setting, the opposing party. So long as humans are governed by humans, there will be a role for lawyers.

Re:Algorithmic Justice Could Clear Convictions in California by ducttapecrown on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @01:53PM (#19257184)
I have the impression that machine learning is incredibly not transparent. Maybe I'm conflating machine learning with AI. Could you explain your vision of transparent AI a little more?
Re:Algorithmic Justice Could Clear Convictions in California by Razengan on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @05:07PM (#19258761)
i.e. as long as it exposes all the facts/criteria it uses to arrive at each decision/verdict or reallocation of resources/manpower.

Of course, every rule or law would have to be initialized by humans in the first place.

Simplified example: "Murder is bad.", but after the AI observes enough cases where the victim attacked the killer first, it may present "But not when in self-defense." as an amendment, along with its reasoning, which again would have to be democratically approved by humans for it become a default condition.

It could even retroactively apply such new rules to all past cases, better than a human-run system, fixing wrongful convictions etc.

Re:Algorithmic Justice Could Clear Convictions in California by hippich on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @02:06PM (#19257306)
Except sufficiently complex trained AI no longer transparent. (Open source part relates only to code running network, but network's decisions are much more opaque)