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Re:Poor-quality relationships linked to greater distress tha... by SketchySeaBeast on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @09:53AM (#19254706)
You can be honest and not be rude. Being confrontational and blunt is orthogonal to being truthful.
Re:Poor-quality relationships linked to greater distress tha... by rofo1 on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @10:06AM (#19254814)
Oh absolutely! Not sure where I conveyed anything different, but I agree with you.
Re:Poor-quality relationships linked to greater distress tha... by SketchySeaBeast on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @10:10AM (#19254842)
> but people with integrity ... are seen as "rude"

You seem to be drawing a line between having integrity and being seen as unpleasant.

Re:Poor-quality relationships linked to greater distress tha... by zzzcpan on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @10:22AM (#19254949)
It's not wrong though, isn't it? Amount of confidence allowing someone not to avoid confrontation essentially makes some people feel unsafe, perceive it as unpleasant and causes hate response.
Re:Poor-quality relationships linked to greater distress tha... by placebo on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @10:39AM (#19255116)
This assumes the only way to persuade someone to change their minds is via unpleasant confrontation. In my experience this is very rarely needed. You're right that a lot of confidence is required though, but it is the type that is rooted in truth and humility (rather than confidence from convincing yourself how great you are).
Re:Poor-quality relationships linked to greater distress tha... by zzzcpan on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @10:48AM (#19255216)
But then abandoning some integrity to not manipulate people is not a high bar anymore.
Re:Poor-quality relationships linked to greater distress tha... by SketchySeaBeast on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @10:59AM (#19255308)
The very act of trying to convince someone is an act of manipulation, you can't divorce the two. Unless you're speaking simply to say your mind and without the desire to actually change something? Is that an act of integrity? Or is proclaiming what you believe for no other effect than to let people hear you an act of pride?
Re:Poor-quality relationships linked to greater distress tha... by thatcat on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @11:25AM (#19255615)
Holding a divergant opinion and expressing it is not necessarily an act of pride or manipulation.

To remain silent is often to implictly agree with an assumed group consensus.

Re:Poor-quality relationships linked to greater distress tha... by TeMPOraL on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @01:34PM (#19257008)
Indeed. I'd say this is almost always the case. People apply Cunningham's Law without realizing it. That manager you hear confidently stating their project idea? There's a good chance they aren't really sure about it, but assume someone will push back if it's wrong. The same applies to behaviour; speaking back is often what it takes for the other person to back down from unethical behaviour.
Re:Poor-quality relationships linked to greater distress tha... by PavlovsCat on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @01:12PM (#19256808)
> Is that an act of integrity? Or is proclaiming what you believe for no other effect than to let people hear you an act of pride?

Being proud of one's integrity doesn't actually diminish it, except in the eyes of those who are looking for reasons to diminish or relabel it anyway.

Re:Poor-quality relationships linked to greater distress tha... by SolaceQuantum on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @11:07AM (#19255394)
Arguably, not considering strategic approaches in maintaining social ties and fostering greater community is also abandoning one's integrity as a social animal.
Re:Poor-quality relationships linked to greater distress tha... by SketchySeaBeast on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @10:37AM (#19255100)
That's only if you assume that confrontations are necessarily rude.
Re:Poor-quality relationships linked to greater distress tha... by Loughla on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @11:20AM (#19255549)
I would argue that most people do see it exactly that way. Even if a confrontation is handled extremely well, from the little data I have (what I've seen) most people are so terrified of confrontation at all that it is almost always seen as rude or disruptive.
Re:Poor-quality relationships linked to greater distress tha... by adrianmonk on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @02:14PM (#19257384)
Well, of course it's disruptive. That's the point. You are trying to force a change in someone's behavior. But it doesn't have to be adversarial. You can have disagreements but still try to work together. In fact, I would say it is extremely important to try to do that in almost every circumstance. Even if you are confronting someone who is not an ally, it's best to try to do it in a way which is strong and firm but also doesn't make them into more of an enemy any more than necessary.
Re:Poor-quality relationships linked to greater distress tha... by dsfyu404ed on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @11:43AM (#19255840)
No you can't. A non-negligible minority of the population will conflate "inconvenient to me" statements or actions with "rude" statements or actions. Standing up for what you believe or what's right or what's correct by definition necessitates conflict with whoever you're standing up to and sometimes people take it personally.