Re:What Even Is a Number?
by chmod775 on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @01:14AM
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> But we have that in math and logic: axioms!
Yes and no. Axioms are chosen such that the math that is based on them makes sense to us (because the math reflects what we'd expect in the real world) and isn't self-contradictory.
So they do exist for a reason.
> That we do not know is a fact; but is it a fact that we can never know?
What if our universe actually has randomness that appears to come from "outside the system",
i.e. there is really no way to predict the outcome of certain things from inside the system.
Picture you're sitting in a box trying to play Mikado. In theory you should
be able to perfectly predict the outcome of every move you make - except there's
a stranger shaking the box you're sitting in at truly random intervals.
For our reality this would mean that there's no way for us to develop an understanding of certain
things and predict their behavior.
So essentially the end of the line for all sciences except theology and philosophy.
This possibility makes me somewhat uncomfortable.
On the other hand maybe everything is perfectly deterministic within our universe.
Yes and no. Axioms are chosen such that the math that is based on them makes sense to us (because the math reflects what we'd expect in the real world) and isn't self-contradictory.
So they do exist for a reason.
> That we do not know is a fact; but is it a fact that we can never know?
What if our universe actually has randomness that appears to come from "outside the system", i.e. there is really no way to predict the outcome of certain things from inside the system.
Picture you're sitting in a box trying to play Mikado. In theory you should be able to perfectly predict the outcome of every move you make - except there's a stranger shaking the box you're sitting in at truly random intervals.
For our reality this would mean that there's no way for us to develop an understanding of certain things and predict their behavior.
So essentially the end of the line for all sciences except theology and philosophy.
This possibility makes me somewhat uncomfortable.
On the other hand maybe everything is perfectly deterministic within our universe.