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Re:Oldest Viable Laptop (2017) by NikolaNovak on Monday February 25, 2019 @12:15PM (#19247246)
T420s, same generation; I have 3 of them now, SSD + 16GB RAM + secondary large HDD: find it hard to get that combo/performance in a modern laptop, let alone the keyboard quality:)
Re:Oldest Viable Laptop (2017) by eropple on Monday February 25, 2019 @05:37PM (#19250157)
It's not particularly hard. Just get a T480. Mine has 32GB of RAM and 2TB of SSD with a 1440p screen.

(I was sure I'd have complaints about the keyboard until I spent a solid month on one and then I raised that the old style keyboard just hurts my hands. It's a little less proof against spills, though the computer underneath is still fine about them.)

Re:Oldest Viable Laptop (2017) by NikolaNovak on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @07:30PM (#19268127)
Sorry - when I said 'combo', one of the things I cannot easily replicate in modern laptops is small SSD + large HDD.

The other part is keyboard - I absolutely believe that if I used a T480 for a couple of weeks I could get used to them... as long as they were the ONLY thing I ever used. But that's not my use case. I have client laptop, and a lot of regular keyboards for my desktop and laptops. They all have the standard home row (Insert/Home/PgUp, Del/End/PgDwn). It's not that laptops have changed this pattern - it's that each manufacturer and even model changes it _differently_ (and seemingly needlessly), which makes it hard to have a consistent muscle memory for these keys:<

Re:Oldest Viable Laptop (2017) by eropple on Thursday February 28, 2019 @09:18AM (#19271430)
The T480 supports two drives by putting one in the 2242 NVMe slot (where the WLAN card goes if you have one; I just use my phone as a VPN+hotspot). You do need to find an NVMe m.2 2242 drive, but they're fairly easily found today. My personal T480 (I mentioned my work-provided one earlier) is outfitted as such: 1TB NVMe SSD in the 2.5" bay (Lenovo OEM adapter; if you buy the laptop with an HDD instead it comes with a SATA port there), 512GB m.2 2242 SATA SSD. You could put in a 2.5" HDD instead, though given how cheap SSDs are now I think it's probably unnecessary for most use cases.

As for keyboards--that's why I brought my machine to clients when I was a consultant, and specify the same laptop at my new job. ;)