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Re:Is Matter Conscious? (2017) by lisper on Sunday February 24, 2019 @11:06PM (#19242824)
We humans draw this boundary all the time. We do it based on an entity's I/O behavior, and in particular, the complexity of interactions that it is possible to have with it.

Agency is not a binary quantity. A normal adult human is an agent, and a blastocyst is not, but there is no bright line where agency is bestowed. It happens gradually.

None of this is a deep mystery. The only thing that is mysterious is how the transition happens. But panpsychism is just absurd.

Just out of curiosity, why did you pick "red color" as your canonical example of subjective experience? The reason I ask is that it seems to pop up much more often than random chance would predict.

Re:Is Matter Conscious? (2017) by paraschopra on Sunday February 24, 2019 @11:48PM (#19243030)
Curious: why do you say pansychism is absurd?

Red colour is something which has sort of become a canonical example of subjective experience. Nothing special about it - could have been blue :)

Re:Is Matter Conscious? (2017) by lisper on Monday February 25, 2019 @12:37AM (#19243268)
Because it's just obvious that consciousness and subjective experience are not properties of matter, they are properties of very particular arrangements of matter. A CPU is made of the same stuff as beach sand, but a CPU can compute and beach sand can't. Or take your laptop (or your brain) and hit is with a sledge hammer. All of the atoms that were there before this procedure are still there after. Do you really want to argue that nothing essential is lost in this process?
Re:Is Matter Conscious? (2017) by kamaal on Monday February 25, 2019 @11:54PM (#19252065)
That means this has more to with ability to communicate/signal your consciousness. For example if a rock is conscious, how would it inform us that it is?

Without the ability to communicate, consciousness means nothing at all. Then of course communicate how? Hand signals, hand writing or voice are equally mystical forms of communication given that these are waves(light and sound). That's already Telepathy category. We just don't feel it as magical because every one can do it.

I'd imagine for a humanoid species without ears or even a idea that something like sound wave would exist, talking would be synonymous with Telepathy.

Re:Is Matter Conscious? (2017) by lisper on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @01:37AM (#19252426)
> That means this has more to with ability to communicate/signal your consciousness.

Communication is the only data you have to support the theory that there are conscious beings other than yourself. Hypothesizing a conscious being that can't communicate at all (not to be confused with the temporary inability to communicate brought on by sleep or locked-in syndrome) is like hypothesizing an invisible leprechaun living in your pantry.

Re:Is Matter Conscious? (2017) by kamaal on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @04:43AM (#19253086)
Then the real problem is how do we communicate with a rock?
Re:Is Matter Conscious? (2017) by lisper on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @11:43PM (#19260929)
That's right. I think you should start working on solving that right away.
Re:Is Matter Conscious? (2017) by Razengan on Monday February 25, 2019 @05:53AM (#19244653)
Just for fun, what exactly is meant by "agent" and how is a human one?
Re:Is Matter Conscious? (2017) by lisper on Monday February 25, 2019 @08:54AM (#19245594)