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Re:Ask HN: How Would You or Did Convince Your Boss That You ... by jerguismi on Friday February 22, 2019 @08:33AM (#19225095)
"It hasn't really mattered how well I could frame productivity or measurable improvements in my quality of life"

First, your quality of life isn't really a selling point from employers point of view. To raise your odds at negotiations you should focus solely on the employers problems. The same applies when selling something - you should not focus on the benefits that you as a seller get (like money), but on the problems that get solved from the employer.

Secondly, focusing on raw productivity on alone seems to be quite a common thing on these discussions. I think it is quite limited viewpoint, since a ton of other things matter as well in addition to productivity. Communication with others, spreading your knowledge, trust issues, where to focus, etc.

Re:Ask HN: How Would You or Did Convince Your Boss That You ... by ddelt on Friday February 22, 2019 @10:00AM (#19225861)
I don't necessarily disagree with the first point that you raised, but I would posit that if my quality of life sucks as an engineer, eventually that will become the employers problem when I update my cv and find work with a better quality of life, potentially too soon or at the wrong time.

Moreover, an employer is 'selling' their reputation to potential talent as well as selling their product.

Re:Ask HN: How Would You or Did Convince Your Boss That You ... by magicnmonkey on Sunday February 24, 2019 @06:24AM (#19238152)
When it becomes problem they fire you, they don't give you some special cash suitcase and tell you, go improve your life first.
Re:Ask HN: How Would You or Did Convince Your Boss That You ... by ddelt on Monday February 25, 2019 @08:17AM (#19245367)
Where in my comment did I suggest that the employee be given a handout?

Perhaps I'm not working for companies who are as ruthless as you and the other commenter, but as my previous comments alluded to, I actually have updated my CV, and left jobs for other, better jobs, mostly because there was a work-life balance improvement to be gained from the move. And yes, the work-life balance improvement in all situations was a more accepting and flexible remote-work policy. And that was after using available avenues (asking manager(s), 1-1s, etc) to see if a WFH arrangement was viable.

In all cases, I did so with tact and professionalism.

That might be getting lost in translation, because your comment seems to indicate that I just walked into my bosses office and complained that my life sucks and I need to work from home, or else. And that I should be given a handout.

In my opinion, you use what avenues are available to you to see if WFH is possible. If it's important to you, and you aren't getting met half-way, then it's time to start looking elsewhere.