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Re:Indonesia reports reduced deforestation, triggering carbo... by BurningFrog on Thursday February 21, 2019 @12:13PM (#19218400)
I don't think China would consent to being taxed like that.
Re:Indonesia reports reduced deforestation, triggering carbo... by vkou on Thursday February 21, 2019 @12:49PM (#19218840)
They don't have to consent. That's the whole point of tariffs. They can be imposed unilaterally (As we have recently seen with the US - China shoving contest. Which, of course, had nothing to do with the environment, or carbon emissions, and everything to do with political optics.)
Re:Indonesia reports reduced deforestation, triggering carbo... by BurningFrog on Thursday February 21, 2019 @11:27PM (#19223124)
The US can impose tariffs on trade with the US.

If they wanted to impose it on China's oil trade with Saudi or Russia, it would have to be done militarily.

And that still leaves the question how to impose a carbon tax on China's domestic coal and oil.

Re:Indonesia reports reduced deforestation, triggering carbo... by vkou on Friday February 22, 2019 @01:35PM (#19227797)
The purpose of carbon tarrifs is not to punish other countries.

The purpose of carbon tarrifs is to make foreign dirty-energy-intensive products less competitive, compared to less dirty-energy-intensive ones.

Because we already have a way of making domestic dirty-energy-intensive products less competitive. It works great. It's called a domestic carbon tax.

They remove the immediate complaint of "If we impose a local carbon tax on energy, foreign imports will outcompete us, because they don't have to pay it."

Re:Indonesia reports reduced deforestation, triggering carbo... by BurningFrog on Friday February 22, 2019 @09:00PM (#19231103)
OP talked about a carbon tax, as am I.

You're talking about "carbon tarrifs", which I've never heard of, and don't know what they are.

Re:Indonesia reports reduced deforestation, triggering carbo... by vkou on Saturday February 23, 2019 @02:36AM (#19232231)
A carbon tariff is a carbon tax, but on external goods, that come from countries which don't have carbon taxes of their own.
Re:Indonesia reports reduced deforestation, triggering carbo... by RHSeeger on Thursday February 21, 2019 @02:41PM (#19219876)
A tariff is generally across the board though, by product type. If one company starts being more "green" than the others in the country of origin, it doesn't generally get hit less by tariffs.
Re:Indonesia reports reduced deforestation, triggering carbo... by int_19h on Thursday February 21, 2019 @07:17PM (#19221935)
It can be implemented on a per-company basis, just as sanctions often are.
Re:Indonesia reports reduced deforestation, triggering carbo... by Kephael on Thursday February 21, 2019 @01:36PM (#19219309)
If the West stops trading with China then they will invade Taiwan and Okinawa and also supply modern weapon systems to North Korea.
Re:Indonesia reports reduced deforestation, triggering carbo... by vkou on Thursday February 21, 2019 @02:40PM (#19219869)
This is Tom Clancy fairy-tale nonsense. China wants a nuclear-free Korea, for the same reason that the United States wants a nuclear-free Mexico and Canada. Nuclear super-powers aren't keen on letting their neighboring satellite states limit their foreign policy, by arming them.

A carbon tax is not 'stopping trade'. It's an increase to the price of goods that are energy-intensive to manufacture, or ship.

Re:Indonesia reports reduced deforestation, triggering carbo... by Kephael on Thursday February 21, 2019 @03:07PM (#19220111)
The Chinese aren't going to allow any sort of tariffs that would threaten their rapid industrialization without serious saber-rattling.
Re:Indonesia reports reduced deforestation, triggering carbo... by astrodust on Thursday February 21, 2019 @02:00PM (#19219573)
They'll do that regardless when the time is right.
Re:Indonesia reports reduced deforestation, triggering carbo... by bjlorenzen on Thursday February 21, 2019 @07:55PM (#19222147)
This is pure speculation. Meanwhile, our government is actively invading and occupying how many countries?
Re:Indonesia reports reduced deforestation, triggering carbo... by pofjer on Saturday February 23, 2019 @01:15AM (#19232010)
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