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Re:Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child... by jerf on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @04:49PM (#19212351)
"Ban kids uploading a video of their innocent pool party because some creeps might enjoy it?"

Given everything else YouTube already does, I seriously, no sarcasm, don't see this as a particularly problematic solution. As ceejayoz pointed out, there's some thorny consent issues involved here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19209766 (ceejayoz' point isn't much larger than my summary of it, but I wanted to give credit. I think it's a good point.)

Sometimes scale brings things like this. I have to admit giving a smaller, specialty service a niche to exist in doesn't exactly bother me, either.

Re:Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child... by pgrote on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @04:57PM (#19212422)
I upload unlisted videos to share with family. I batch and upload them on a monthly basis. Never had an issue with Youtube and my family videos. Last month one video was my daughter fully clothed in the bathroom dumping a cup of water on my son in the bathtub and both laughing. You could only see his head and chest. It was 10 seconds long and funny play between young siblings.

It was instantly and automatically flagged, removed and a strike placed against me for going against community guidelines. I had 40 characters to appeal, but it is automated since the response was instantaneous. There are other videos of kids dumping water on each other ... even when both are in the tub. An email asking what guideline I violated to youtube support has gone unanswered.

To me, if Youtube is automatically, instantly flagging my video, there is no reason they cannot automatically flag and remove the videos in Matt Watson's video, especially if they are public and are attracting a wide range of comments.

Don't get me wrong, it's Youtube's pool, so their rules. They can choose the content they want.

Re:Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child... by stickfigure on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @05:25PM (#19212680)
There seems to be something wrong with this argument. You're displeased that their algorithm is too sensitive and flagged your content as a false positive, right?

But then you think they can apply the algorithm more broadly? Wouldn't that just risk many more false positives and irate users?

Re:Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child... by pgrote on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @06:27PM (#19213142)
>You're displeased that their algorithm is too sensitive and flagged your content as a false positive, right?

No. As I said, their rules. I have no idea if it is a false positive since I cannot get an answer as to what guideline was violated. I could have violated one of their guidelines.

Youtube doesn't owe me anything ... I use their service for free with unlisted videos to share with family. They make no money off the videos.

My point was if they can flag something like my video, I am sure they can flag the ones given as examples attracting the other people.

I can understand your point that false positives would generate more upset content creators who do make their videos public and would like ads run against them.

Re:Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child... by stickfigure on Thursday February 21, 2019 @11:11AM (#19217788)
You point out that there are similar videos in the system that aren't getting flagged, which makes a pretty good argument that the algorithm is random and ineffective.
Re:Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child... by arkades on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @06:33PM (#19213177)
No. He’s arguing that if the algorithm is capable of detecting his video, it is capable of finding others like it - so if google wanted to remove such videos categorically, it can and currently chooses not to.
Re:Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child... by brlewis on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @05:17PM (#19212606)
They sure can. They removed a video of mine for copyright because of background music in the environment where I was shooting.
Re:Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child... by freeflight on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @05:31PM (#19212742)
Which is a completely different, and rather trivial, problem compared to "automatically detect the age of people in a video and/or if they are doing something sexual".

The first is a mere process of comparison, while the latter requires quite a few levels of subjective abstraction.

Re:Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child... by pgrote on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @06:31PM (#19213163)
> copyright because of background music

I feel you. Many of my videos have been flagged for copyright violations due to background music, but since they are unlisted and only for sharing among family, I'm ok with it.

There have been a couple of times they have muted a whole video for a snippet of music, but I've never had a video removed for music.

Re:Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child... by reaperducer on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @06:10PM (#19213049)
The problem is that your videos are unlisted, so Google isn't making enough money from them.

If you posted them publicly so Google could properly monetize them, they'd be "Featured videos of the month!" in a pedo group.

Re:Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child... by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @05:34PM (#19212762)
> Given everything else YouTube already does, I seriously, no sarcasm, don't see this as a particularly problematic solution.

Isn't this punishing the users more than punishing YouTube? I get how these kind of videos would be banned in a country like Saudi Arabia, but in the USA, or much of Europe? Yes, CP should be disallowed, but kids playing in a pool adequately covered?

Re:Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child... by jerf on Thursday February 21, 2019 @10:30AM (#19217493)
"Punishing" is kind of a loaded term though, isn't it? "Not hosting your video for free because of concerns about risk to YouTube" isn't really a "punishment".

As I sort of alluded to already, giving other services an incentive to exist, or incentivizating more self-hosting, I see as a virtue anyhow. YouTube shouldn't be The Video Site On The Internet.

Re:Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child... by seanmcdirmid on Thursday February 21, 2019 @12:04PM (#19218311)
It really is, if you could post videos for free before, but now some people in parliament have made it so you can’t anymore.

Other services may or may not fill the huge created gap, but what’s to say they won’t be subject to the same regulations as YouTube? Anyways, the politicians would probably take a huge fall if they did this, voters don’t often buy “its for your own good” arguments.