Public protest against Amazon

Re:Public protest against Amazon by tracer4201 on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @07:38PM (#19204537)

This might be true for many Indian folks. I had an Indian manager who was the kindest soul, cared deeply for the team, to the point where he would stay late if there was a high severity issue just for morale support and to help debug, focused heavily on career development for us... he let management push him around, which he shielded the team from... he got passed on promotion opportunities and eventually left. It was a huge loss for our team, and after he left, within 3 months the entire engineering team he built parted ways.

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Re:Public protest against Amazon by dblock on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @07:53PM (#19204616)

I am Russian and my best manager ever, in 20 years of software development, was Indian. So YMMV and these kinds of generalizations need to become a thing of the past.

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Re:Public protest against Amazon by thtthings on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @07:58PM (#19204638)

I need to clarify, this is from the perspective of American or first world working conditions. Coming from Russia an Indian boss must be a god sent(just guessing, don't know).

There are maybe 100 millions Indian bosses. Do I know all of them? Like everything in life, this is my experience. It isn't a scientific fact!

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Re:Public protest against Amazon by throwawaymjabba on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @01:32AM (#19206056)

I am an Indian. When I was working in Indian IT, I used to think that Indian managers were the worst. Then I went to US and worked with some US managers. Two of my worst experiences in my career were due to US managers. So now I think majority of managers are bad, good ones don't reach the top any more.

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Re:Public protest against Amazon by mirceal on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @07:41PM (#19204559)

dude (not an indian btw), you can be racist no matter what you are. identifying as an indian does not make what you’re saying less offensive

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Re:Public protest against Amazon by john_moscow on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @07:54PM (#19204620)

Being racist would be discriminating someone based on their race without actually looking into the circumstances. Pointing out cultural roots of a very real problem and openly taking about it is a totally different thing.

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Re:Public protest against Amazon by gotocake on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @07:58PM (#19204640)

Pretending that “Indian” describes a single culture composed of more than a billion people is the defintion of racism. India is an incredibly diverse place full of people who have less in common in terms of culture (not to mention language) than a Californian does with a New Yorker.

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Re:Public protest against Amazon by objektif on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @08:42PM (#19204855)

It does not describe every single person in a country. However, if you deny that certain countries have certain cultural identities you are lying to yourself.

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Re:Public protest against Amazon by gotocake on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @08:54PM (#19204908)

I would argue that reducing more than a billion people who don’t even speak the same language, eat the same food, listen to the same music, worship the same gods... to a single stereotype is the sweaty face of ingorance, no matter how you try to dress it up or defend it. The fact that “arguments” such as yours always seem to be devoid of a grounding in reality and exist as appeals to emotion or common sense speaks for itself too. In short, ignorance and heuristics combine to produce bullshit every time.

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Re:Public protest against Amazon by gotocake on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @09:22PM (#19205036)

You got to be kidding. Here are the things I can safely say about most Indians, not all, "most": 1. They eat roti and rice. 2. They speak Hindi 3. They wash not wipe their ass. 4. They are Hindu and worship one of the Avtars of shiva and all believe in bharma and bhraman. Some things are common across a culture. The first step is to acknowledge the problem then we can solve it

The first step is actually learning about something to the point that, when you talk about it, you’re doing something other than revealing and revelling in your own ignorance.

For example...

1. Rice and flatbread are staples around the world. All of India doesn’t eat roti, feel free to learn about the many varied cuisines of India sometime. For example, some parts of India have a tradition of eating beef, others of eating pork, still others tend to be vegetarian. Some regions have blazingly spicy cuisine, others are mild.

2. No, again, even a cursory search online would show you otherwise.

3. Stop spying on people in the toilet.

4. Only the Hindus, not the Muslims, Sikhs, and other religions.

I won’t be replying again, I’m having a hard time assuming that you’re posting in good faith, and if you are that’s worse in a way.

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Re:Public protest against Amazon by john_moscow on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @09:23PM (#19205044)

Yet if you compare a Californian and a New Yorker to a Russian like myself, you can safely bet that both will smile more and be less direct in conversations due to the cultural differences.

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Re:Public protest against Amazon by gotocake on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @09:28PM (#19205067)

You haven’t met many New Yorkers have you?

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Re:Public protest against Amazon by averros on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @10:46PM (#19205361)

You haven't met many Russians, have you? :)

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Re:Public protest against Amazon by gotocake on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @10:59AM (#19208904)

I’m half Russian, so yeah I have.

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Re:Public protest against Amazon by mirceal on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @09:39PM (#19205119)

if you reread my comment was that the parent was offensive. saying that you’re from X does not give you a free pass to talk shit about people from X.

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Re:Public protest against Amazon by SamReidHughes on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @09:04PM (#19204962)

He's talking about a country of birth, not a race. It's better not to go around worrying about whether somebody will call you racist.

It would be nice if I could read an HN thread without people bitching about Indians though.

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Re:Public protest against Amazon by mirceal on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @09:42PM (#19205128)

depending on how you define race (if you look at it in the broader trrm of ethnicity) you can definitely talk about racism.

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Re:Public protest against Amazon by SamReidHughes on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @11:52PM (#19205600)

It's not about ethnicity because these stereotypes completely exclude Indians that grew up in America. Whether you classify it as racist or not, going around classifying stuff as racist is a total non-contribution to the world. Opinions being "racist" per your view does not imply they are incorrect or morally wrong to hold, or express.

(There is something ambitious about remotely diagnosing some guy (by association) to be a cookie-cutter Indian manager, but I'm having a hard time figuring out a way it's more than just unfashionable.)

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Re:Public protest against Amazon by mirceal on Thursday February 21, 2019 @09:37AM (#19217123)

i did not see the clause that excluded people that did not grew in India.

Every time you take one label and you apply it to a large group of people that have something in common you have the potential to be labeled yourself as racist. IMHO that’s the definition of racism: you take a negative attribute and you map it to a class of people. usually you also imply that you/we are better than them.

here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

“prejudice against people based on their ethnicity”

i may have an idiosyncratic definition of racism or we may have different understandings but this definitely crosses the line.

if the claim was made that the guy’s manager is so and so, we would have left it at that. but the claim was targeted at all managers that are indian. that’s fucked up.

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Re:Public protest against Amazon by thtthings on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @07:48PM (#19204591)

Well, There is nothing racist about my observations.

I love India and Indians, not fond of Indian bosses.. most of them

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Re:Public protest against Amazon by karthikshan on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @08:07PM (#19204687)

How is making negative generalizations about people from a specific country not racist?

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Re:Public protest against Amazon by objektif on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @08:44PM (#19204860)

Americans are loud, obnoxious tourists. Is that racist?

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Re:Public protest against Amazon by karthikshan on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @08:45PM (#19204868)

yes

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Re:Public protest against Amazon by nojvek on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @08:52PM (#19204898)

> If your manager is from India, he probably sucks. He is insecure, has zero empathy, leadership skills or any skills.

Racism! Seriously? We going there?

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Re:Public protest against Amazon by 29athrowaway on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @09:59PM (#19205197)

You are conflating country of origin discrimination with race discrimination. Both are illegal but they're not the same.

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Re:Public protest against Amazon by Stryder on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @07:41PM (#19204557)

It's basically https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down

Thinking about this problem as a larger systemic problem makes me incredibly frustrated and sad about human nature and society overall.

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