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Re:What Even Is a Number? by Nomentatus on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @03:38PM (#19202552)
"Reification" is the term to search for if you wish to delve into the extensive Philosophical bibliography on this topic that's accumulated over the last few centuries. Within mathematics "Intuitionist Mathematics" is the rubric for the anti-reification view. This relies on computability as a substitute for "existence." The Intuitionist view has pretty much triumphed.
Re:What Even Is a Number? by qubex on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @07:13PM (#19204383)
I’m all for reification. It’s not even limited to mathematics: ‘democracy’ is just another example of a reification from another realm of human endeavor: it gets implemented in different countries with slightly different axioms and varying degrees of success but in aggregate those nations that abide by some form of it are accepted as functional equals by other whom have likewise implemented their own instantiation of the overarching ideal.
Re:What Even Is a Number? by Nomentatus on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @07:39PM (#19204544)
That's not what reification means, it's more a form of Platonism (Idealism), plus. See The Meno and it's discussion of the forms (say, the "form" of a spoon.) Plato would reify democracy (although he hated it) but most of us certainly do not. A nominalist (even a Berkeley follower) could discuss democracy perfectly well.
Re:What Even Is a Number? by qubex on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @04:01PM (#19211939)
I'm pretty well versed in what reification means. Fundamentally it entails taking a theoretical concept and treating it as if it were a tangible, almost embodied, thing.

Maybe my example wasn't the best but this “democracy thing” gets discussed as if it has material properties: that it can expand, that it can be transported from one place to another, that it can be expelled from a locale, and so forth. Those are pretty material attributes to assign to something that is actually notional.

Re:What Even Is a Number? by Nomentatus on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @08:21PM (#19213712)
Now if you look up tangible...

I think you're caviling, at this point.

Re:What Even Is a Number? by qubex on Thursday February 21, 2019 @03:18AM (#19215342)
“Tangible” means touchable and has a Latin root; “tangere” still means “to touch” (though somewhat archaic) in my native Italian. That same Latin root is why we call linear equations that share the gradient of a given curve evaluated at the point where they cross to be “tangential”.

Look, we could go on with this all day. What’s your point? To show your terminology and grasp of topics is greater than mine? Is this some kind of passing match? Because I’m really not interested in these schoolyard antics.

Re:What Even Is a Number? by Nomentatus on Thursday February 21, 2019 @01:14PM (#19219083)
So, how do you pinch a democracy, physically? By avoiding answering my point in my last message, you're still caviling. One progresses to the end of a conversation by honestly answering the points made, and you aren't interested in doing that.