Re:China Unveils Plan to Tie Hong Kong, Macau Closer to Main...
by em500 on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @01:32PM
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> Look at the language used "return" - people still think HK was leased. It wasn't - the New Territories were.
And most of Kowloon. As opposed to HK Island, which was obtained by legitimate conquest, I suppose?
> Of all the colonies from which British rule was removed, only HK got handed over to the thugs, thieves and torturers its population had previously escaped.
What realistic alternative would you have suggested to Thatcher at the time?
Re:China Unveils Plan to Tie Hong Kong, Macau Closer to Main...
by NeedMoreTea on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @02:00PM
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> What realistic alternative would you have suggested to Thatcher at the time?
Oh that's easy. Give every HKer a full British passport instead of creating an entirely new category of nationality, where they were still British Nationals, but not British Citizens. Then let in a token few thousand. Unforgivable.
Would have given HKers a free choice, and done wonders for the UK economy.
Re:China Unveils Plan to Tie Hong Kong, Macau Closer to Main...
by em500 on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @02:42PM
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Not easy at all, good luck getting it accepted by both the UK parliament and by Deng Xiaoping. People have this notion that the UK could do whatever they wanted in HK before 1997 (or at least before the negotiations with the PRC in the 1980s). But recently declassified documents revealed that the PRC was already pressuring the UK about HK affairs back in the 1950s.
Re:China Unveils Plan to Tie Hong Kong, Macau Closer to Main...
by NeedMoreTea on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @02:59PM
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They weakened status well before the joint agreement. Yet right after Tiananmen Square, and after the joint agreement, they managed to rapidly dream up a selection of 50k families, so they were also far from powerless to act without Deng Xiaoping's approval. Thousands of HKers were leaving after Tiananmen, to anywhere that would take them, so it's not like it would have deprived China of those citizens after 97 handover.
Re:China Unveils Plan to Tie Hong Kong, Macau Closer to Main...
by em500 on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @06:13PM
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There's a big difference between accepting 50k and 5million people, on both the British and the Chinese side.
Re:China Unveils Plan to Tie Hong Kong, Macau Closer to Main...
by frosted-flakes on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @09:47PM
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50k families is more like 200kâ300k people.
Look at the language used "return" - people still think HK was leased. It wasn't - the New Territories were.
People don't care about HK people. I wish they did but no one does.
At least Tibet has some awareness surrounding it in the West - HK just got hung out to dry.
Of all the colonies from which British rule was removed, only HK got handed over to the thugs, thieves and torturers its population had previously escaped.
Everyone else got independence. HKers didn't even get UK passports.